Defeating Manny Pacquiao

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  1. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Good stuff, is their anyone you see with the ability to implement these guidelines sucessfully?
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah --you!

    This stuff isn't so much about ability or talent as it is preparation. Obviously, the more skilled, and fast and powerful the opponent is the better off he'll be in implementing these but it addresses the real problem with the welterweights who have been facing Pacquiao -the trainers. They should be doing strategy.
     
  4. brown bomber

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    Excellent article, if a little obvious- considering tactics, and applying them are two different things entirely.

    To suggest that nazim Richardson, floyd snr, nacho villa etc don't understand the geometry of a southpaw is a bit ridiculous- mannys speed is the overwhelming factor in nearly all his fights, couple that with a huge work rate and considerable power and you have a very unusually gifted southpaw who can outmanoeuvre almost anyone.

    I still maintain that the only person who can beat him is may weather unless he drops off big time
     
  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nazim was begging Shane to move "to that angle" though I'm not sure which angle he meant.

    As for the rest of the recent welterweight trainers who faced Pac -it's plain to see after studying all of those bouts that either

    a. they don't know, in fact, how to face a southpaw
    b. they do, but their fighters did not implement what they needed to
    c. both know but for a reason I don't see, decided to forego that direction


    See, I think that Manny is very tricky. He himself will spend most of the fight moving to his left -not to right- and that is lulling guys.

    The other thing is that just moving left isn't enough. You have to move left with your foot outside his lead foot and get inward on that angle. That blocks him and enhances your right.
     
  6. Tar Baby

    Tar Baby Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good article.
    *goes for a run and trains to beat Manny*
     
  7. lefty

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    I think Mayweather would handle him easily. I don't think Pacman is as improved as a fighter as people like to make out since working with Roach. I think he's just at his natural weight and has a guy who knows how to condition his body correctly. He looked like an amateur against Mosley, if Mosley stepped in and threw punches after making Pacman miss it would have been a very different outcome.
     
  8. Tar Baby

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    Money May handles him? Yes.
    Easily? No.
     
  9. lefty

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    I started to read the first link but then I could see it was just a hate piece, I don't care about all that silly ****. Floyd is a far better technician and athlete than Pacman, I think alot of people don't realise just how good Mayweather is as a boxer due to their views being clouded by emotion. Yes the guy seems like a bit of a dick but I'm not looking to date him. Styles make fights and Mayweather is all wrong for Pac.
     
  10. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Instead of emoting, read the second link. It recognizes his skill and then deconstructs it.

    Floyd is a better technician than Manny, but to say he is a better athlete is dopey. He ain't.
     
  11. lefty

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    I just read it, sounds like a load of wank from someone trying to impress himself. "Mayweather expects 1,2 or maybe 3 punches so throw 5". Brilliant.

    Look at Floyds balance compared to Pacquiao. Look at Floyds sense of feel and variation to his game. You say I'm emoting but I'm not, I'm telling you how I see it. I like Pacman but he has been slightly overrated I feel and Mayweather has been underrated, probably due to their personalities.
    With that being said I do think Mayweather has a fear of Pacquiao and most likely was to blame for the fight not happening yet. If Pacquiao doesn't have a fear of Mayweather then he better not ever bother getting in the ring with him, because he should be afraid.
    The Pacquaio since the Cotto fight might win some of the early rounds while Mayweather feels him out but that's the only success I could see for Pacman.
    Pacquiao is strong and fast, so is Mayweather but as I said Mayweathers balance and coordination is on another level, he is undoubtebly a better athlete to me.
     
  12. lefty

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    I actually think Marquez may beat him if he feels comfortable at the weight.
     
  13. Stonehands89

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    Go watch Pryor and Arguello and you'll get it. Mayweather is a technician. Technicians have trouble with guys who do things that they don't expect. 2 to 3 punch combinations are the norm. Throwing several in succession is not the norm and so throws off technicians. Combine that with odd angles and there you have a major reason why Arguello would never have beaten Pryor.

    That's overstating it. Pacquiao has leverage that may be better than anyone in history. His timing and accuracy are off the charts. Add to that speed and agility and Mayweather's balance and coordination look pedestrian.

    That being said, I agree that Mayweather poses problems for anyone. That performance against Shane should have shut alot of detractors up but it didn't. He is stronger than thought and he hits harder than expected.
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marquez would rather die than lose this fight. I think he lost the first fight but did beat Manny by 2 points in the rematch. More importantly, he fought Manny right -twice. And no one else has.

    I may throw down some $$ on him...