"Defence always beats attack - if the defence is good enough....

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  1. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    Yup, the title is a paraphrased quote from the great Jack Johnson, and, when you think about it, he might have a point.

    I was thinking about fighters from the past and present - those who are defensive geniuses and those who are offensive demons. And it seems that when you put 2 fighters of roughly the same ability/class head to head, the defensively savvy fighter will generally win the day.

    So I was wondering.....could you guys think of examples where a defensively brilliant fighter (in his prime) takes a beatdown from an offensive machine?
     
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    RJJ-Hopkins possibly
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Hopkins hadn't yet hit his prime, and he was not beatdown. Both guys were relatively timid in that fight, but Roy won a clear decision.
     
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    mrplow182 Seasoned Veteran Full Member

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    Yeah that's why I said possibly...still, it's the closest I can think of to what the dude asked for
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I don't know how someone could be considered a defensive genius if they're getting beatdown in their prime.
     
  6. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    They don't have to be geniuses, I just meant examples of genuinely 50/50 fights where the offensive fighter beats a defensive fighter.
     
  7. randeris

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    Pacquaio vs JMM in the first round. Ali vs Frazier 1. Winky vs Julio Cesar Vasquez.
     
  8. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    Well, they don't have to be genuises, I just meant examples of genuine 50/50 fights where the offensively minded fighter beats a fighter whose whole style is based on defense/movement.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Ali was no longer prime against Frazier, he was coming off that long layoff. I don't think 1 round of 1 fight qualifies, but that is close.
     
  10. MON

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    Judah - Spinks?
     
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    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alright, but it still was 50-50.
     
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    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I think this one qualifies.
     
  13. ApatheticLeader

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    Good one. :good