Deficiencies, Fallacies & Half-truths in world class fighters...

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  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Why do most "slick" fighters always seen to have some sort of focus issue? It's so frustrating. James Toney, Zab Judah, Chad Dawson the list goes on...

    Do you remember that infamous defensive signature move that Pernell use to do? Well that was dubbed "sitting on the toilet" in my household lol. The only fighter who comes close to "sitting on the toilet" is Joan Guzman even though its kind of a bootleg version with the writing across the screen. lol And it's suffice to say he has his "focus issues" too.

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  2. johna_83

    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    i don't come from a 'boxing family' so the term sitting on the toilet has a slightly different meaning in my house :lol:

    but yeah, guzman is another waste of talent. the slicksters are probably just guilty of believing skill alone is enough to see them through, and it is usually more than enough until they reach elite level and the intangibles become more and more important.
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    :lol:

    I was trying to post a pic of Pea demonstrating "sitting on the toilet" but i don't know how to. Was it copy the URL in properties then paste it to the little box that says "insert image"?
     
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    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    yeah i think so :good
     
  5. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Got it! posted it above. :good
     
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    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    5 minutes sitting on the toilet

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G5v_PNsl4Q&feature=related[/ame]
     
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    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    Slip what about Winky Wright? hard to really class it as a deficiency but if Winky had a bit of power and that killer instinct, how far do you think he could have went??
     
  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you, Taylor's though flashier was broken down throughout that fight by Chavez. He was never the same even though he had success afterwards. I disagree with Flea here. I would give Chavez a 50/50 chance with Duran at lightweight. That would be my ultimate dreamfight.
     
  9. Cheese&ham

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    Great post.. educating me!
     
  10. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Problem with Winky was his style, he mastered that peek-a-boo defence and guard but as we've seen with fighters like Clottey it lends itself to a disposition of not getting off or struggling against certain styles if you can't establish your jab and counter effectively.

    Winky did as much as his style allowed him too IMO. He always beats the Mosley's and Trinidad's who can't fight east and west, but people like Williams would always give him hell and rain it on his guard.

    Where Winky had a deficiency was in his overbearing sense of self worth, lack of business mind, poor decision making highlighted by him turning down the Taylor rematch, his Krispy Kream diet inbetween bouts, inactivity, pricing himself out of fights and chasing the De La Hoya rainbow. With his style he needed certain things to fall into place for him and didn't exactly help himself really.
     
  11. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He must have been an absolute nightmare to face. I think I'd rather face Tyson and get knocked into row Z than be made to look like an idiot for 12 rounds by Sweet Pea.....maybe.:think:scaredas:
     
  12. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Oh, would defo. rather face Tyson lol don't forget Grievesy Pernell did have a bit of killer in him as well. lol what separates him and pretenders like Judah and Dawson. Speaking of Tyson does it ever annoy you when you hear "he never knew how to face adversity" :patsch

    Did people ever watch the Razor Ruddock first fight and parts of their second showdown. Razor hit him with a baseball bat for 10 rounds and Iron Mike kept walking him down.

    Buster also hit Mike with power shots through the whole fight. Mike was so convinced that he could not lose, I think he didn't even realize he was hurt. The Razor fights as i said, the second one being one of the most violent bruising fights I ever saw. His will did come into question after he was incarcerated somewhat. Started with Evander and the story ends from there. He knew he wasn't prepared on that run IMO.
     
  13. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah. People seem to like to throw these cliches around. Does get annoying. Personally I just ignore people who constantly chat **** so they don't bother me as much. Works wonders over on the General forum.:deal
     
  14. TommyV

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    Pernell Whitaker was purely a defensive fighter

    He wasn't. Sure, not getting hit was a massive part of his game, but offensively, when he wanted to step it up, set the pace and put his punches together he could. Everyone knows he had a great jab, but his offense was so more-rounded than that, and than he is sometimes given credit for.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynGnpGgwCw[/ame]


    One of my favourite Sweet Pea fights because it shows cases his full offensive skillset. This wasn't about Whitaker making a guy look foolish missing and going on the defensive, this was about going on the assault and showing people that he could dicate the tempo of a fight and out-punch a guy.

    His body punching in this fight is the main thing, and it also showcased his ability to fight inside aswell which is rarely talked about.
     
  15. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Hilario Zapata is your man for that move.He was sort of the lunatic disjointed prototype for Pea defensively.