Deficiencies, Fallacies & Half-truths in world class fighters...

Yep, Zapata did it amazingly, odd given his long frame too.

Al; I just think Duran has more facets to his game. If Chavez starts getting the better in close, I feel Duran has more gears to go into.

TommyV; agree 100%. Pea was also very adept at taking the fight to his opponent. Certainly wasn't a safety-first pot shotting type of fighter, which is what most people think of when you say 'defensive fighter' nowadays.

 

I think they have different types of defence.

Whitaker was more of an evader, whereas Floyd tends to block more - certainly from what I've seen.

It's one thing that might cost Whitaker if he was boxing these days, knowing what judges are like.......

 

great thread

 

I think Floyd is more of an evader, skipping out of range until he has to block/slip punches.

Pea used a consistent jab and then slipped under punches in the pocket with alarming accuracy; I also think he proved his defensive ability against a higher calibre of offensive opponent. Like Floyd, Pea was also nigh on untouchable from mid-range, both fighters have shown that it takes a very special sense of timing to land on them, and something real special to land on them frequently.

Though a 17 year old Wilfred Benitez didn't look too shabby against ATG Cervantes :yep

 

AWESOME thread, some quality posts here !!!

Cheers, if i aint learning i aint living !!!

:thumbsup

 

I agree with this a bit. I think he had good footwork in a static sense. He positioned his feet perfectly to box his opponent if his opponent did not move. It was his ability to move and reset his feet that caught him out IMO.

I disagree.

The way to beat Mayweather IS to get inside and impose yourself, but it is about being clever. Shut off his escape routes so he HAS to fight you on the inside and will not have his last resort of movement. Phase two is to keep him busy with a constant workrate but mainly made up of little shots as Mayweather when under duress goes to defence rather than offence and shots like these can keep him busy. Once you got him busy downstairs come upstairs with some solid shots.

A guy like Chavez could do this perfectly IMO.

It's because they think they can get away with being defensivly sound and often do not do enough and coast.

 

There are likely different ways to beat Mayweather. He has never fought a truely great fighter in his prime so you can't rule styles in or out.

 

I was mainly disagreeing with the way dft was basically ruling out the way to beat Mayweather was inside. I agree with you there is more than one way. But if I had a fighter fighting Mayweather (not taht I would) I'd tell him to do that.

 

The way most definitely is pressure.

I know Floyd likes to have a look early, but Hatton started off really well closing the ring off, but his punches were easy to see and either evade or counter.

Not sure someone like Chavez has as good footwork as Hatton (yes, I said it) but his offense is easily superior as is his defence.

I'd make Floyd an 8/11 fave over JCC, just a hunch of mine.

[Flea slashes wrists]

 

Duran would be better. Duran had a much better transition game than JCC, and was overall just a superior more adaptable fighter.

 

Wow.

Chavez is basically one of the best pressure fighters ever, I mean every part of him. Hatton does nothing better IMO.

Chavez is very good at shutting down the ring and he would do this to Mayweather better than Hatton IMO.

I'd definitly bet with you on that, JCC as underdog, I'd be quids in.

JCC was slightly better at actually pressuring as in cutting off the ring IMO.

But thats it.

 

As a serious contender and having to face hitting air for 12 rounds i'd be tempted to just kick him in the nards and have ****ing done with it...the man was something else.:thumbsup

***Just watched again, look at 2 minutes...SP gives Nelson a backhander around the corner :hey