Deficiencies in striking of many mma fighters

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Wilsonbox, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Boxers only punch, therefore they are better at punching. This does not give them superior striking. There is more to striking than punching.

    This is the arguably the greatest striker of all time. This is not a mixed martial artist.
     
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  2. Wilsonbox

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    this man is cool, the muay thai fighters are very tough, they would complicate it for anyone. I said it more for the most mma fighters, although in grappling they are undoubtedly the best.
     
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  3. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Samart is often argued as the best Muay Thai fighter ever. He won the Lumpinee Stadium title, equivalent to world champion, in 4 weight divisions.
    He was no where near the greatest boxer ever, but he did win a world title. He knocked out Lupe Pintor. He crossed over to boxing from Muay Thai as a reigning champion, and became a world champion boxer. He was incredible.
     
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  4. mpg

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    The greatest strikers in history are boxers, not "muay thai" fighters whose top champions make $50 and a stick of bubble gum for winning titles. You gotta be an mma fan to think that guy is greater than the greatest boxers.
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    You are a g0ddamn idiot. You have to be delusional to think someone that can only punch is better than someone that can do it all. You are the kind of person that brings a knife to a gun fight.
    You are like Ray Mercer in a Kimbo Slice fight.
     
  6. mpg

    mpg New Member Full Member

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    It's a matter of levels and competition genius... Muay thai is really only performed in a single country (Thailand) and there is basically no money in it. If you think those 'fighters' are greater than a worldwide sport with 100x the earnings because they like to kick each other in the shins then you lack the understanding to have this conversation.
     
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    This guy practice his trade in mma and became a successful boxer. Mma and boxing attract the same fighters, there is no genetic predisposition to being an mma fighter and having a weak chin. This is like saying track athletes have weak chins, it don't make sense.
     
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  8. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Boxers specialize in punching. Boxers specialize in handling punches. I've read that most ko's occur because of the energy of the punch going through the base of the brain.

    Manny Pacquiao does not have a week chin. Imagine what could've happened if his opponent were allowed to keep hitting/finish him during the ref's count.
     
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  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Look, Dummy, you missed the first point. Samart was a Muay Thai fighter first. He became one of, if not the best, ever Thai fighters in history. Samart transitioned to boxing and won a world title. It wasn't a bull$hit win. He knocked out Lupe Pintor!
    A four time Lumpinee champion won a legitimate boxing title.

    Show me any boxing equivalent. Tell me about the boxer that went to Lumpinee Stadium and won the title. You can't. It hasn't happened. Your "superior strikers" get f@cked up there.
     
  10. Dario Argento

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    Muay Thai is practiced in Europe and Asia now, not just Thailand. A kickboxer is a better fighter because they know how to use more of their limbs than a boxer.

    The average doctor makes more than the average engineer, it doesnt mean doctors are more intelligent than engineers.

    A graphic designer makes more than the average fine artist, it does not make the graphic designer a better creative professional than a fine artist.

    Strongman Competitions are more prolific and attracts more attention than powerlifting or weightlifting, it does not mean they are stronger in every area to a powerlifter or weightlifter.
     
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  11. mpg

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    You gotta be kidding me you goofball. Bowe was over 50 years old and hadn't fought in 15 years and was homeless when he took this 'fight'. You are clearly an MMA and muay tranny fanboy. The fact is Muay Thai and kickboxing for that matter are low paid backyard sports and their 'fighters' are not comparable to boxing anymore than comparing someone playing basketball at YMCA to an NBA player.
     
  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL.
    I know that you even do not follow pro boxing seriously, otherwise you did not had posted such bull****.
    Serious boxing followers might list formerly or currently highly ranked pro boxers who initially were KB or MT athletes.
    If you were more interested about this, I might had listed there xx surnames. Nope, you will find out all excuses and reasons, why they are or were bad, overrated, fought in weak eras, divisions and other casual for 20+ years in forums excuses.
    It is not easy to find such comparison for former boxers with high level ranking in KB or MT.

    Also, unlike MT and MMA, even KB, pro boxers are protected by ref and pro boxing regulators from things common in these arts.

    More than this, modern pro boxing and even KB is sandbag if compare with real dirtyboxe.
    Most pro boxing fans does not know what thing is real dirtyboxe.
     
  13. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The keyword is former. Dudes most likely already too old for fighting and still might collect paychecks cos they are well known.
    Like with pro boxers, a lot over the hill formerly good boxers are used for better tickets sales, besides this to get good surname on prospect's resumes. Pro boxing if painfully full with these examples.
    I hope you might list a lot such fights.


    If about over the hill former MMA guy with main basis : grappling under boxing rules, this is too predictable outcome.
    BTW he had been considered as bad striker in MMA and managed to get wins in MMA only due his grappling skills. When he had good kicker to fight with, he had been switched off cold with 1 single kick.

    Since the MMA does have fighters from different backgrounds, to advertise how bad they are in striking usually are used specimens with not good striking even for MMA and when they are placed under rules not allowing grappling.

    No one wish to use as example how bad kickers MMA fighters are with MMA fighters with primary background in striking arts with kicks.
    No one use as example how bad punchers MMA fighters are former boxers who later were MMA fighters.

    Even the same example how bad strikers are MMA guys in Conor. If Khabib being with grappling basis had " outboxed " Conor being non boxer, then dear God, why Floyd Jr. will not outbox him? He is a boxer, Conor: MMA guy. Under boxing rules there no chance for him vs Floyd Jr.
     
  14. rekcutnevets

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    Bowe was 46, and hadn't fought in 5 years. He was facing a tiny man with 9 fights. Maybe 9, you can't find his record anywhere because he was that obscure. Bowe was not facing a fighter from Thailand. Technicalities, but none of these are the point...He had no idea what to do to stop his attacker. He wasn't simply ill prepared for this fight. No version of him would've been ready for this sport. Not with that amount time spent preparing for it. It would take years.

    There are over 60,000 Muay Thai fighters in Thailand. There are like 2,000 boxers in the US. Samart Payakaroon established himself as the best Thai boxer in the world and figuratively said "Hmm...let me try this Western boxing thing" Then he became a f@cking world champion! To discredit this shows how ignorant you are.
    Samart's Thai boxing record is 200-48-2. His professional boxing record is 21-2.
    He was Lumpinee champion, equivalent of world champ, in 4 weight classes.
    He never became the best boxer ever, but he was briefly the best boxer in his weigh class. He knocked out Lupe Pintor and Juan Meza. He lost his title to Jeff Fenech. He made a comeback years later and lost a title fight to Eloy Rojas.
    248 of his his Thai fights, and all of his boxing matches, took place over 22 years. He had 21 Thai fights in 1974.

    He'd be an immediate entry to ESPN's top 100 athletes if most of the world wasn't as ignorant as you.
     
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  15. mpg

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    Bowe hasn't had a real fight since 1996 you ****. Those fights in the 2000's were money grabs against bums. Bowe was a borderline homeless punch drunk obese pig even in the 2000's fights. For all practical purposes he was a 50 year old man who hadn't had a real fight in 15 years when some muay thai cornball kicked his legs out then jumped around the ring like he just won a gold medal.

    "There are over 60,000 Muay Thai fighters in Thailand."

    Bull****. Show me proof of this statement. Muay Thai is one of the lowest paid of all 'combat sports.' That's the reality. Talent and ability goes to where the biggest money is, not kickboxing or muay thai where they get paid a bowl of rice, a stick of bubble gum and a night with a ladyboy hooker for winning a fight. Compared to tens of millions of dollars for top boxers.