Deficiencies in striking of many mma fighters

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  1. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mercer discusses the differences between being kicked/punched at the 4 min mark.

     
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  2. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Not surprisingly, you missed the point again. Bowe was at a technical disadvantage. When grappling is almost void, some grappling allowed in Muay Thai, applying weight to the front leg is a detriment. Leg kicks cripple most fighters unaccustomed to them.

    Do you think Thai fighters can just go where the money is? They all would if they could. Thai fighters are their gym's property from a very young age.
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    Few fighters escape to international fame.

    Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez, famous kickboxer, claimed to be undefeated for years. Until footage of this fight surfaced...
    It begins around 2:40


    Speaking of the Jets...Here is another kickboxing great. Roufus had a nice start, but...
     
  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You really are stupid.
    U normally post what you wish, you are typical forum poster who follows not market but some famous icons.

    In the same you Vegas in U.S some 2-3 and 3-2 like pro boxers fights for 500 bucks.

    U think: there are some superstars and list these like all boxers earn gigantic sums.
    While some kickboxers does have large villas, I do not insist that this is casual level of life standard for kickboxers.

    In your worshiped pro boxing a lot of guys with undefeated pro boxing records are working somewhere, good if this is gym related job.
    Or you think if you are a pro boxer, you might pay your bills with 0 problems cos some percentage of pro boxers or prospects might afford this?

    You might be even pro boxer with some kind 8-0-0 or even 11-0-0 pro record and might be used as a paid sparring partner for a champ or cotenders for $.
     
  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PAK KB did not allowed low kicks cos they are difficult to observe.
    There was no reason for him to train these.
    While believe me, not in all countries even ammy KB is like this. I don't talk about MT, in a lot of KB rules low kicks are allowed and also a knee. More restrictions than in MT for clinch and kicks/ punches in clinch, still it isn't PAK KB. Ofc also no elbows.
    Low kicks are allowed also in some amater KB rules used in europe.
     
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  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I don't think it was too difficult to observe those leg kicks.;)
    The Roufus fight is actually what convinced me the side stance is probably better for self defense. Boxing, BJJ, Fencing, Karate and Western Kickboxing all use more of a side stance than Muay Thai fighters. I think the Thai stance is an evolution due the rules. Round kicks are the fastest power kick, and the Thai stance is better suited for delivering/checking them. Most Muay Thai bouts are scheduled for 5 rounds. Street fights are normally over in moments. I often see the side stance fighters being effective early before being chopped down several minutes in. I think that early effectiveness may be the difference in a real fight.
     
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  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In these years most widely televised fights were pro boxing fights.
    I think a lot impact on rules had opinion how spectators will see this. Sales is very good thing for pro sport, tickets, broadcasting rights for events.


    Maybe.

    I think this depends from opponent, what he will do.
    The worst **** is that you do not know what he does knows and what he most likely will do after less than second.

    Yeah, however if there is a street fight when they know what they are doing and there is a bit notice, might be minute or longer.
    Street fights are different: some are with signs of notice lesser than second, some are even hours after first conflict with this guy.

    Yeah, early effectiveness is very important in SD. Therefore stuff like dirtyboxe and dirty KB/MT is more effective than like in sport.
    You missed punch, continue hit with elbow. He is too close, you are in position where headbutt is comfortable to deliver, then. You know.
    You clinched him, there in boxing you can't hook his leg with your leg and disbalance him with standup wrestling/ grappling stuff to get him down. In MMA you can do this, if you clinched, hooked his leg, rotated and disbalanced him there.
    Foot sweeps too are used in dirtyboxe. Standup grappling with chokes too might appear.

    KB under rules and ref: u clinch him, kick once while he is in the clinch.
    No rules? headbutt, multiple kicks in clinch might appear.

    Western Kickboxing in europe too had high impact from rules.

    The MT stance is considered as more suspectible to takedowns than KB stance while Thai guard with hands liked me a lot.
     
  7. Surrix

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    The karate stance too depends from style. There more well known thing is KK and so called point karate while there are different things with another aim. KK too is impacted by rules like point karate.
    While the some style is usually considered as in out point, in reality initially flowchart was go forward and capitalize every effect even when opponent is down.
    Karate while I think isn't anything superior and ultimate art, had been intended to disable an opponent asap not for sport.
    The biggest problem with these karate styles that they had been impacted by rules a lot or turned into a semi contact.
    Therefore rare cases we see effective guys in MMA or KB coming from this.
    While still there are a lot examples that if taught properly and sparred, this is effective stuff also in sport.

    MT is easier to learn for sport, I think. Initially intended for competitions in the ring.
    No katas and these still not allowed things that still are part of core for these karate styles.
    KK is competitive karate but really limited by kumite rules. In dojo a lot of them even grapple a little bit. Standup.
     
  8. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I feel like the Muay Thai stance is too square, and susceptible to strikes down the middle...self defense speaking. In terms of kickboxing, Thai boxing is the superior form. That is why Roufus had early success before getting busted up. Upper echelon Thai fighters have world class reflexes. I think the average person would be very vulnerable in a Muay Thai stance.
     
  9. mpg

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    Champion fighters in Muay thai make $5,000 per fight. I'm talking the supposedly legendary fighters make the same as the undercard fighters on low level TV boxing shows. They are low paid fighters from a single country. They are not in any way comparable to a sport which pays 100x and draws from a global talent pool except in the fantasy mind of MMA fans.
     
  10. Surrix

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    Dead God, you think all boxers does have 5 k and more per fight.
    If you are so deeply interested about boxers purses, I might point for you what to search in google.
    1. Some big events had disclosed purses for undercard fights and available for everyone. You might compare these with their boxrec stats and lurk how this is.
    2. There are official statistic data about average pro boxers income in U.S. Google this up, I suggest to use large, well established western resources exactly in U.S and U.K.
    I really advise you not to be lazy and compare this average yearly income with the same engineer in the same U.S.
    You really didn't had followed nor boxing in depth not alone KB in depth.
    There are enough fighters with primary striking base training as MT or these karates who compete in europe and had competed also in MMA and not only in europe.
    If you had been interested in depth, you should know this.
    Also btw about how " bad " kickboxers are if they turns into a boxer and later pro boxer. Doesn't looks that you have interest in depth there even to use google search.

    While you are talking about fantasy MMA and MT fans, I do know that most likely you do not know how money in boxing is distributed.
    You normally need to climb up to get these big bucks you read about in mass media.

    Yeah, everyone is talking about big superstars and their income, no one is talking about road till top 50, not alone higher.
    Maybe contact someone who started in small hall shows in the same U.S or U.K and maybe you will get some info valuable for you.
    How they get at first till big events undercards, how much they had get for this. How "easy" to climb up further after this.

    If you had clue how difficult is to get till even " just " 10k purse in pro boxing and after this you will pay % to gym, manager, taxman.
    You really think someone will pay you big bucks just because you do have just some fights in small hall under belt?

    You had been asked how much tickets you will be able to sell, what income show will have in sales if they will have you on their fight card.
    Your ranking, bio, presence in mass media, internet, fight record, opponents record and their background, your ranking. Do you have fans friendly style etc things.
    No one will so easily to pay you even 5 k & bear in mind that this will not be take home $.
     
  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You might make these 5000$ or just 100$ in non broadcasted show, there are variables in the game.
    You might make these 1k or more than 100k for fight in big, very large boxing event on undercard.
     
  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roufus then was not automated even to watch low kicks.

    It depends. If you compete in some stuff like with Glory rules, a lot of things you can't use and there are things they do know: scoring criteria too depends from your actions.
    While for stadium MT there is another thing to get good scoring. They also does have different clinch rules and so on.
    I there if about sport to get win. The same guys with MT base fights a bit differently when they had fought in Glory and promotions like these.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not Usman though, I want to see Paul v Usman in the ring.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns power was amazing, he was one of the best finishers in combat sports history as was M.Tyson.
     
  15. Malph

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    I'd like to see Paul fight Usman under MMA rules.