Defining lineal title

What you think and what's reality aren't the same thing. Canelo is still the MW lineal champ.

 

GG has not established himself as the best MW yet. He would have to fight the number 2 guy, win all of the titles or defeat Canelo. He has not done any of the 3 yet. Now in my book he has won all of the titles(I don't count the WBOgus title). He has not beaten Canelo and he has not faced the number 2 guys to start a new lineage. I think that once GG defeats Jacobs, he will have beaten the number 2 MW. Will that fight get made? Don't know.

 

GG has not established himself as the best MW yet. He would have to fight the number 2 guy, win all of the titles or defeat Canelo. He has not done any of the 3 yet. Now in my book he has won all of the titles(I don't count the WBOgus title). He has not beaten Canelo and he has not faced the number 2 guys to start a new lineage. I think that once GG defeats Jacobs, he will have beaten the number 2 MW. Will that fight get made? Don't know.

 

I think all this trashing of what the Lineal title means and what not, is because the GGG fans don't want to except it. The lineal title was accepted as a way to show who the champ of the division is, it doesn't necessarily mean he's the best guy in the division, it just means he beat the man who was the man.

Martinez was the man, but GGG was looked at as the best. Now Cotto beat Martinez who was the lineal champion, now that title goes to Cotto. GGG is still regarded as the best by many.

Canelo beats Cotto and becomes lineal, but GGG IS still thought as the best by many. It is a matter of opinion with the fans, but the belt is prestigious in its own right. People need to recognize it as such and accept it.

 

This.

 

Huh, yes it can. These are just things the fans have to deal with, even if you don't agree with it. There's always going to be unhappy customers, that's just the way it is.

 

There's always going to be someone who disagrees, it's the same with p4p.. but people didn't seem to have a problem when Calzaghe was the ring champion at 175, or when Hatton was the ring champ at 140.. this only started to become an issue when people thought GGG should be the champion, sure he has 3 of the 4 belts, but he doesn't have the 4th, and he doesn't have the lineal title signifying the champion of the division.

That really sends them into a fit, where now all of a sudden the ring belt is worthless and only the alphabet trinkets matter now.. Why wasnt this an issue back in the 2000's when Naseem Hamed was looked at as universally the lineal champ of the world while Morales and Marquez held titles there, and we're looked at as the better fighters by many? GGG fans are the ones making this an issue, and it's getting old.

 

Well put. They flip flop on the issues and are never consistent. We now have the ability to drag up all those hold post by just typing it in now so maybe they should drop the subject.

 

Yep, and it's never going to end.

 

I don't know how you can ignore the whole Stevenson-Kovalev debacle. That took place before GGG vs Canelo.

 

Stevenson is still champion of the WBC and he won the lineal title off of Dawson, but we all know Kovalev is the best at 175, he's just not the lineal champion, and Ward won't be the lineal champion at 175 neither until he beats Stevenson. That's pretty much all I have to say about that topic, Reg.

But again people have a problem with the lineal title now, because of GGG. Hardly anyone talks about Kova/Stevenson. It's always Canelo/GGG that's the hot topic everyday it seems.

 

It's like the situation when Tyson was the undisputed champion, and every casual fan saw him as the man in the division. Then suddenly the Spinks bout comes up and most people were asking themselves "why does he act like he's the champ? Who is this guy anyway? Everyone knows Tyson is the champ". While boxing fans knew he was the lineal one, but had ducked his mandatory because he knew Tucker would beat him senseless.
Still HE was the real champion, although nobody outside boxing saw him as that.