DeForest on Corbett ..

Standing around guffawing and giggling.

That's evolution. :deal

 

Yeah, I heard they had cured cancer, too, but somewhere along the line the secret of this was lost amid modern medicine techniques.

 

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An ice bath or a hot both for what injury?
Let us be clear here.
Are you advocating heat for a swelling occasioned by a sprain or a suspected break?
Do you actually know how ridiculous your stance is here?

 

Jeffries was following the accepted tradition, as I have said we have moved on.Ever seen a hot bar or a steam bag in a ring corner?

 

The voice of reason. Corbett was faster than Tunney and there's not doubt Tunney was one of the best movers in the history of the division. Tunney a bit more refined in technique.

I'm not saying Tubbs did not have good hand speed. He clearly did. However, hand speed is just one type of speed. I still think overall, Corbett had quicker feet / hands / head movement / bending movent...the entire package of speed.

The very fast fighters can get away with a low guard. Ali did it. So did Tunney and Corbett. Fast feet, lateral mobility, good reflexes and good head movement make one hard to hit. In Corbett's case, he had a way of blocking punches or checking punches before they reached him.

 

Which footage of Corbett leads you to think he was faster than Tubbs, point it out to us?

 

If Klomptons footage of round 1 doesn't do it for ya, nothin will!

 

Round one against who?

 

I define faster as hands, feet, reflexes etc.. Maybe Tubbs had faster hands, but he was not " faster " overall. I'd probably place Tubbs in a top 10-15 all time fastest hands. I'm not saying he wasn't fast.

As I pointed out, Corbett was filmed at fewer frames per second and his films run slow. He was also filmed at a greater distance. The closer the view, the faster an object or person moving appears.

Examples. Fitz vs Corbett. I own 26 minutes of this film and timed round one. The result was something like 3 minutes and 30 seconds for the round. Adding an extra 30 seconds slows things down, yet when Corbett lets his hand fly or moves his feet, he's quick.

Another film Cornett vs Courtney. It was shot at 12 frames per second, which means you have 12 picture shots in a second...compared to the standard 24 frames per second we typically see today.

So the speed back then, shot in black and white with fewer frames isn't as impressive as it would be if modern technology was used.

You can see Corbett, who must have been 50 years old or older sparring with Kid McCoy. That film offers a closer view, and he was kid quick at an advanced age.

The historians of the time said Corbett had quicker feet than anyone and hands as fast or even to Dempsey and Johnson. Usually, the fastest heavyweights of foot and had were close in weight to Corbett's 185-190.
The rare exception was Ali, yet once he added some weight he visibly slowed down too.

 

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