Degale vs groves who's future is brighter

gods icon · Oct 22, 2011

jcairns1 said: ↑

It was 50/50 between them for me all the way up to their fight, I picked Degale to win but was overjoyed when he lost, Degale looked poor against Groves and showed a lot of flaws against Wilczewski, he didn't battle back as good as Groves did against Anderson either so I think Groves has him beat in both the technical and heart areas.

Looking forward to see if Groves can do a better job on Smith than Degale did.
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The thing is When Groves fought Anderson, Anderson only had a few weeks to prepare and it was only his 12th or 13th fight.
Degale's last fight was against a guy who had only been beaten once in 30 fights albeit against shite opposition but he still had the ring experience and was the ebu champ.
I didn't think Degale performed to the best of his abilities however it was his 1st fight back after an embarrassing loss to groves (not the way he lost but the fact he done so much smack talking in the build up).
All in all I think he needs to switch from McDonnell and find a new trainer as he just seems to have stagnated under McDonnell.
Who do you guys think would get the best out of degale??

norfolkinchance · Oct 22, 2011

gooners!! said: ↑

I think Groves will plateu eventually. I think right now he's getting the maximum out of what he has to work with, and so is looking a better fighter than anticipated, only I feel his shortcomings will come to the fore in time, which will vindicate what some already think, that he's good fighter riding the crest of a wave.

I dont really know who will go further, I suspect De Gale, only having seen him against Pete the pole, I have real question marks about his style and his defense.

De Gale is a tall guy who tries to fight like a short guy. And for such a tall fighter, he doesn't seem to have much ability to control and dictate range imo. I think De Gale being so tall, means he offers up too much of a target area, a bit like how Chavez offers too much of target area, due to his height, to be fighting like his dad, now that might not be such a issue for De Gale if he weren't languishing inside all the time. You see Hopkins is tall, so was Michael Nunn, but they were still good defensively, however both those guys could fight on the inside or the outside, meaning they didn't have to regiment themselves to standing infront of the opponent, they would do it in spots. Generally they would keep it on the outside and step inside when need be, where as De Gale only seems to be effective fighting from in the pocket, only when he does this he leaves himself open as he doesn't move his head enough, and because he thinks he can block & parry everything, and also goes too defensive at times and invites pressure, he can be hit and outhussled, which is why I think Adam Booth said after the De Gale fight that they could beat De Gale short or long, because De Gale by going so inactive and defensive, allows you to outhussle him at times. Look at him against Pete the pole the other night, how inactive was he? He was throwing far too many singles at times and allowing the pole to dictate the tempo of the fight.

A good defensive fighter has a good balance between offense and defense. De Gale doesn't have that balance. Take Zab Judah, he's a counter puncher with no balance between offense and defense, so he becomes a one trick pony laying back looking for singles (counters) instead of keeping you out by controlling and dictating range, which when you do this, and aren't able to pull the trigger enough on those counters, starts to effects your output and you can be prone to getting outhussled, which De Gale and Judah are imo.

At times its like De Gale has a sparring partners mentality, as he seems to wanna play hide and seek behind his high guard whilst allowing opponents to get off first on him before starting his own offense. De Gale is almost like a fighter who NEEDS you to throw at him cause he cant do nothing on the front end where HE has to take the lead and use the jab etc.

De Gale has an excellent repertoire of counters when he throws, but they are too few and far between, and he allows other fighters to dictate the tempo against him too much.

Probably one the biggest problems De Gale's got now, is that there is a blue print to beat him, or atleast one that can be employed that is guaranteed to give him issues, so he best start improving.
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outstanding post!

norfolkinchance · Oct 22, 2011

TFFP said: ↑

Yes, I thought there were signs Groves was hurt on at least one occasion. DeGale's pressure was abysmal to take advantage of it though. Groves chin is pretty bad, all the signs are there but I suppose he'll have to be knocked out for people to realize that finally.
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