Degales technical flaws

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  1. lirva

    lirva Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets talk about the technical flaws in his style.. not about his ego or mindset.

    I think he is good defensively from either stance but his defence does leak punches and it always will leak the odd shot. His chin looks good enough to withstand the shots though.

    Offensively he has very fast hands and can put punches in combinations. His counter punching is brilliant, as we saw in the Smith fight. Groves didn't give him a chance to counter by constantly moving and countering Degale.

    I think one of his biggest problems is that his jab is not as strong as it should be. He is never really authoritative with the jab. I think he tries to walk people on to shots. He flicks the jab out and it can be a lazy jab at times. The opponent counters the jab and Degale can then get his shots off by countering that attack. That's how he can be a counter puncher on the front foot. That's all good and well but he also needs the ability to use a snappy jab also. The jab could have been a good range finder against Groves.

    Another technical flaw is he seems to wait too much. Someone like Dirrell or Ward would have probably swept every round against Degale by simply getting off first. He is a counter puncher with a pressure style and that means he has to wait for his opponent to throw so he can counter but that leaves him open to getting caught first and then the opponent quickly moves on (if he has the footwork).

    Cutting the ring down was a problem vs Groves but even when he did, he was still waiting too much. He didn't know how to work his way inside. This is where a jab/double jab/head movement/1-2 etc can be used to get inside where he can rattle off a 5-6 punch combo and get out. If he can get inside and work inside, he can throw very fast combinations as he did in the ninth round vs Groves, which he won BIG.

    Degale needs to develop more of a jab when he needs it. He also needs to learn more about being an actual pressure fighter when his opponent is able to get off shots that Degale can't counter.

    I still believe his skills are very advanced but with more work he can really be a superb boxer. I don't think Jim McDonnell is the man to improve Degale as he already thinks Degale is the finished artical.
     
  2. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    his jab, for an olympic gold medalist, is dog****
     
  3. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    There's no incentive for an amateur to have a good jab though, because you get nothing for it.

    I thought in his fight against Smith that he had improved a lot, but Smigga was stood in front of him all night and is a natural leader rather than looking to counter. Groves also is a natural leader, likes to plant his feet and throw bombs, but they probably looked at a couple of DeGale's earlier fights, maybe his debut.... and saw how uncomfortable he was leading.

    It was a calculated gamble of Groves being better off the back foot than DeGale on the front foot..... and it worked.

    All good points raised so far though, not much to add if I'm honest.
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Footwork was the main thing that cost him the fight. Well, actually his mindset. But technically, his footwork was pretty atrocious to cut the ring off. It made Groves footwork look something exceptional when it really wasn't. DeGale seems to take a lot of small steps to move a short distance.

    Punch technique is awful, needs tightening up big time. Can't believe he's still throwing some of them punches, it doesn't speak well for McDonnell.
     
  5. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really?

    I seem to remember at the commonwealths and the games a stiff jab that can snap a head back was one of the few shots that consistently scored?


    thats a good point. remember his performance against the guy on Burns' bill when he had to chase him? he looked terrible. in fairness to him though, who would have thought Groves wouldnt have come forward and made Degale the counter puncher. out thought and out fought
     
  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I didn't watch the boxing in the Commonwealth's to be honest.

    I got sick of the scoring in the Olympics and haven't watched the ams since, so if it has changed my point doesn't really stand.
     
  7. PUNCHDRUNK

    PUNCHDRUNK Darth Booth Full Member

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    I don't know if anybody noticed but he kept on doing that little wide-boy posturing shoe shuffle an a number of occasions when trying to close the range. His footwork is so bad in fact, Groves befuddled him by simply stepping to his right. Instead of stepping across Groves, he just followed him around the ring. And you're right, Degale slaps & he doesn't throw straight punches.

    Future p4p star, sorry Frank but you're backing the wrong horse :deal
     
  8. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    livra talking some sense there.

    i no you should not to mention his ego or mentallity but that is also a major flaw. the fact he had no game plan what so ever for the biggest fight of his career says allot.
     
  9. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :yep


    strange alright when someone lands a micky ward like bodyshot that doesnt score
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I saw one African get knocked out by one and the referee was motioning at him to get up.... when he really needed the doc in there.

    Watch the end of the 2nd Margarito vs Cintron fight.... pretty much like that :lol:

    On DeGale, I don't think they can do much with his footwork, he's always going to be pretty flat footed, but they can improve what he does, stepping across instead of following and such.

    They can tighten up his punch technique, and get him to sit down on them more, both he and Gavin spend too much time shoeshining for me.

    Plus, don't try shoulder rolling against an orthodox fighter who's best punch is his right hand :patsch
     
  11. liger05

    liger05 puroresu fan 4 life!! Full Member

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    His jab is awful. Its not a range finder and its not used as an effiective weapon to set up future work. I cant believe how bad his footwork was in trying to cut the ring off. Even when Groves looked tired he was stil easily able to manouvre himself around the ring and Degale was clueless on how to trap Groves.

    Even if Degale got the decision the fight still would of produced more questions than answers. Degale's flaws were exposed big time.
     
  12. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He throws many illegal punches that land with the inside of the glove.
     
  13. DON1

    DON1 ICEMAN Full Member

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    His footwork is ****ing terrible.
     
  14. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yip, he couldn't cut the ring off.
     
  15. macho_grande

    macho_grande "I'll never get over" Full Member

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    It all falls down to Jim McDonell, nobody else.

    DeGale was sparring with Cleverley for ****s sakes. The only game planned they worked on is where Groves would come out swingning (hence using Cleverley)

    As soon as he realised Groves was goig to fight on the backfoot he was totally bemused. The only time he got any real joy was when Groves decided to trade.

    Like many have said already, he needs to improve his footwork immediatley. He needs to learn the throw the strait right hand & as for his jab??? Does he even have one?

    The most worrying thing for DeGale is the ease in which Groves alluded him... It was well documented, (by Groves himself & Booth) that George had defensivley issues.

    In 2 months he managed to iron out enough of his floors to deal with DeGale comfortably. 2 ****ing months!