DeLaHoya has not won a significant fight yet

First of all, none of those guys compare to even Quartey...Second, Chavez and Whitaker are some of the best fighters in history. And DLH stopped Chavez 2x no man ever did that, and he was the first to beat Whitaker, and seriously has been fighting really solid fighters since like '95. Mayweathers still cherrypicking, so when he decides to man-up and take on the best comp avaliable then they can both be in the same discussion, in the meantime, Mayweather is nowhere near DLH. And remember Mayweather got DLH left overs like 4 years later.

 

Or maybe you gave Floyd rounds for feather dusting Oscar's gloves?

 

I didn't realize that hitting gloves and shoulders was the way to win a fight atsch

Seriously, DLH just isn't what he once was anymore.

How would he do against the top 5 welster?

PBF - Already lost by a clear 8-4 score, and it probably would have been wider if Mayweather was the type to try blowing a guy out, but he took rounds off.

Mosley - Already clearly beat DLH once, and had another close fight. DLH has regressed more than Mosley has at this point in their respective careers, and Mosley would have a distinct speed advantage.

Williams - Yeah right DLH can keep up with a guy who throws 100 punches a round.

Margarito - Would be a relatively even fight, but I'd give Margo a 60/40 chance of winning with unbiased judges. He punches harder than DLH and has most other physical advantages. DLH has speed on him, but he also can't sustain a high workrate anymore. Margo would have a good chance at hurting DLH. Still, if they fought, DLH would win because he writes the judges paychecks :deal

Cintron - Cintron isn't the same fighter he was against Margo. However, who knows shat he can do late into fights? He would have nearly every physical advantage on DLH, and DLH would have polish and arsenal on him. If Steward can prepare him properly, he should win, unless it turns out that his stamina is ****. But there's no way of knowing that - he's never made it to the championship rounds.

FYI, I'm not a hater. I like DLH, I like what he brings to the sport, and I like that he runs a better promotional company than those scumbags King and Arum. I just think he's on his way downhill, and that he's second tier in his weight class at this point. There are plenty of big fights he can make for big money, but I doubt he's enhancing his legacy in any way at this point.

 

I'm not a DLH fan, but I'll give the guy this much, HE'S FACED EVERYONE!!!! Including Hopkins who he had absolutely NO BUSINESS with at 60. Now early on?? He shucked, jived, and gave some reason for the "Chicken DLH" sentiment, but in the end he reversed that.

I also give him credit for being a world class fighter wins over Vargas, Quartey, MAG, G. Hernandez, Ruelas, Camacho Sr. are respectable. I disagree with the Whitaker decision but "officially" it is what it is. Chavez Sr. was waay past it, but that's not Oscar's fault.

Factor in his amatuer Olympic gold and ya gotta give the man credit as a good fighter. If you compare resume's with a guy like PBF DLH faced far better opposition.

 

Yeah...OK!!!!


I'll give Primadonna Boy this much, he's now facing Hatton. That's the first step towards reversing the Cherry picking he's done since the beginning.

Let PBF do as many other great CHAMPS have done and what the history of Boxing is about and lay it down vs the best Welters out there. It's a stacked division and Floyd should RELISH the opportunity to face quality opponents and add real legitimacy to his legacy.

SSM, Cotto, and Williams should follow Hatton on Floyd's record:good

 

So youre good at adding and subtracting i see, so then lets give the Mosley and Tito fight, and there are the two quality wins that this the thread starter is talking about. Yeah, Floyd has been more dominant, but hes fought no one dood. If Oscar didnt fight Hopkins, if he didnt fight Trinidad, or Mosley, then he would have been zero in the loss column. Floyds record doesnt touch Oscars end of story. I had him beating Whitaker, and even if you disagree, no one had beat him to that point, so Oscar must done something right, No one had stopped Chavez and Oscar did it twice. People say well, these guys were past their prime, ok but Oscar was fairly green at 23, so again he must have pocessed great skill to beat these great veterans at only 23, hell im 26 and its amazing that he beat 2 ATG greats the way he did at such an early age.:deal

 

Im sorry but Floyd was 26 When fought 2 nobodies in Sosa and n'dou, then at 27 fought Bruseles, at 28 fought Gatti then Mitchell, at 29 fought a guy coming off a pathetic loss in Judah then Baldobum, which i gave him a lil credit but this guys a loser. Finally at 30 fights the biggest name on his resume in DLH. At 30 DLH had fought legends, if he had padded up his record the way Floyd had done, he would ahve looks very very dominant.

 

I give mayweather props for his shortlived career of fighting the best at 135 and below, but he just hasnt done that 140 and up, and its been a couple years now.

 

He's had a great careerand many had him beating Trinidad, Mosley(II) and Mayweather.

 

Then you aren't looking at his entire career.

In his fifth pro fight he stopped Jeff Mayweather, a respectable jr. lightweight/lightweight.

In his eight outing he stopped Troy Dorsey, a tough SOB, in the first round. I saw Troy, a local fellow, in some earlier bouts and he was not easy to stop.

DLH won the WBO Super Feather belt from Jimmy Bredahl in his 12th fight. A couple of months later he kayoed Jorge Paez for the vacant WBO lightweight belt. Paez had been a featherweight champ, a slickster and always a tough guy with lots of experience against the best.

John John Molina, Rafael Rueles, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leija... (sigh...)

Am I boring you?

And this was all before his 1996 trouncing of a past-prime Chavez.

You were prolly still in school when all this was going on. I remember I was stoned most of the time before I was 15, but that's a whole 'nuther story.

 

By no means did De La Hoya beat Mayweather

 

This isnt anything new. DLH has lost to every prime elite fighter that he has faced. Still has yet to win the 'big' one.

 

De La Hoya hasn't had a clear-cut victory over the p4p fighters he's faced.

But he's beaten a lot of solid fighters who were among the division's best at the time.

Ruelas was regarded as the 2nd or 3rd best lightweight at the time (Gonzalez, Nazarov) when Oscar destroyed him. Genaro was one of the top 130 lb. fighters moving up when Oscar beat him. In fact, so were Leija and Molina. Yeah DLH did have a size advantage, but they were solid wins for a young fighter (he won Fighter of the Year in 1995). Gonzalez was better @ 135, but still ranked highly @ 140 in the magazines when Oscar beat him. Rivera was a tough contender who gave Whitaker hell (and later gave Mosley and especially Vargas pretty good fights) and Oscar dominated him. Despite being on the downside, Chavez was still the linear champ @ 140 (thank the WBC, bad judges, and King/Chavez ducking Randall for a decade) when Oscar beat him. Castillejo was a top 5 154 lb. fighter when Oscar beat him, and Vargas was still one of the top junior middleweights out there when Oscar beat him.

 

Look, it's real simple. Bazooka's point of this post is Oscar has never ever beaten the very top elite fighters he has fought. The very best were Mosley twice, Trinidad, hopkins and Mayweather. And he lost them all. 0 and 5 against the very best. No one, even us haters, have ever said he is not a damn good fighter who has beaten some great fighters (but usually with an advantage such as weight, beating them past their prime, etc.) but still came out the winner. But when he has fought the very best he lost!!
He's damn good but not the God his huggers portray him to be.
He was ranked #77 ATG by Ring Magazine at one time which was probably pretty acurate but he has fallen down the list with his recent losses yet some have him top 10 ATG which of course is nuthugging at it's best.