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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Like who? The guy really doesn't have that many real options.
     
  2. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I really hope HBO will greenlight keeping the date in order to make Williams-Dzinziruk happen on the same date instead. HBO obviously would pay less for the fight, but one would hope that German TV revenues would help make up the difference.
     
  3. DeanoFlash

    DeanoFlash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there are options, and Im sure people are gonna throw out names like Cintron or Martinez or Dzinziruk and these guys but the fact of the matter is, when your that close to 1.5 million plus and 2 MW championships, and then you have to be relegated to whatever those guys are making.... its just not the same. smh, hopefully Goossen can bubble up something.
     
  4. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Dzinziruk. The real titleholder at 154. Williams holds the same interim belt. They need to fight or Williams needs to vacate soon anyway. He's a promotional free agent, so promoter bull**** wouldn't get in the way. He claims he's ready to fight on short notice (he says he wants to make a Spinks unification fight for November). HBO pays less and the casino drops its site fee, but some of that revenue would be made up by German TV revenues, and Dzinziruk makes less per fight than Pavlik anyway.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    First things first, there should be no "rescheduling" to January 23. Paul Williams doesn't deserve to keep getting shunted around like this, and he should try and get Dzinziruk in the ring as a replacement on December 5. There's absolutely no guarantee that Pavlik will be fit by January, just as there was absolutely no guarantee he'd be fit for December: this was a flagrantly stupid move by Team Pavlik hoping and speculating that they would be ready by a certain date on nothing more than a whim.

    I always had my concerns about this fight: Loew said a few weeks back that he "hoped" that Pavlik would be punching by this week. Now, there's absolutely no way that you can merely be "hoping" to perform an activity which is pretty much integral to a fighter's training at a time when he should be deep into intense training. I hate to say this, but a world-class trainer would never have allowed this to happen, and it's another example of Jack Loew's and Team Pavlik's general inexperience and unprofessionalism.

    The most desperate part is that this could be Pavlik's big break all over. This fight was perfect to help him get his career back on track: a fighter tailor-made for him to run over in a few rounds and re-establish his reputation. Now, PW will (rightly) move on to someone else; and Pavlik, if he recovers at all, will be back fighting soft mandotories whilst the Super Six shoot to stardom. His only hope is to recover fast and try and make the PW fight for mid 2010.
     
  6. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    There's no doubt that PW has been treated very unfairly, though I think a healthy KP derails his career pretty decisively. This is a blessing disguise in some ways - not to suggest that Team Pavlik haven't royally ****ed things up.
     
  7. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I'm a KP fan, but I'm with the haters on this one. There's no way Team Pavlik should have agreed to cut the timing so fine. You need to give a fighter with a serious injury more than enough time to recover, not just "hope" he will for a certain rescheduling date.
     
  8. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    A professional fighter cannot train one-handed! This is no "story" - it's damn serious.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Williams-Dzinziruk. It most likely result in Williams taking Dzinziruk's belt and he would be a great win.
     
  10. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I knew this **** would happen. There was no way Pavlik was gonna be 100% in les than two months. They just wasted Williams' time.
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not the same, and it's dangerous to go from preparing for Pavlik 160 to fighting a completely different, quality fighter at 154 for the same date, especially when he might be a little emotionally deflated because he's not fighing the man he really wanted to face. I've seen situations where the replacement can have alot more success than they would otherwise because of that, so I'd be shocked if the fill in was of that caliber- maybe Cintron, but I wouldn't count on it being Martinez or Dzinziruk.

    I think Williams will take a fight he can assuredly look good in so as not to **** up his chances of fighting Pavlik in 2010, since Kelly still represents the middleweight titles and the bigger payday Paul's looking for. If he doesn't want to keep the set Dec. 5th date, he may just be better off waiting for Pavlik anyways. If the two start heading in different directions, it's entirely possible there paths won't cross again in the future.
     
  12. DAVEMAKER

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    ive never grown emotionally attatched to a stranger
     
  13. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chill with this bull****! Yes, Pavlik's team should have let PW have another fight till Pavlik is 100%, but calling Pavlik scared, and fraud is childish.
     
  14. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gay.

    Time for Williams to get back down to 147 and school Clottey.
     
  15. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    That just about sums it up. :-(