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Like I said, I don't take you seriously enough to be upset.

Your boxing opinions, I couldn't take less seriously after seeing your laughable Bonavena-Ali scorecard thread.

 

You don’t have a sarcasm radar or a sense of humour then obviously.

 

I’ve explained it all to you before lil lamb.

 

Yes, and as I remember, excuses aside you were permabanned under a previous alt.

What have I said that was untrue?

 

Simple answer. Because of results.

 

Buster has a KO over someone with an Iron pair of whiskers, that’s a start. Who did Liston KO who was as durable as Mike Tyson?

 

Douglas with Tyson was not 'jab attack " much. hit Tyson with all punch in boxing & all angle & close range & the body punch too + uppercut
everything

more so than jab head off

 

Hard core quotes provided as usual - excellent info Swag. I hadn't read this interview before. Thanks.

Liston's jab? If not THE best, very much right up there with the best. Sonny used it so many ways. To hurt, to keep the range, to manoeuvre his opponent and keep them off balance, to set up for the immediate left hook off the jab or right hand. Also, Liston often doubled on the jab for even greater effect and also let it hang just after impact to obscure the opponent's vision. And, with all the threat that Liston's jab represented to his opponent, Sonny was also able to intelligently employ the jab feint to max. advantage.

IMO, (Edit: here I meant POWER) Liston's jab was equal to GF's or, at worst, nothing too much shy of it. However, Liston's jab was obviously far more versatile, intelligently applied and integrated far more effectively in complement to the rest of Sonny's arsenal.

No, Liston's jab wasn't as fast or as snappy as Holmes but the other features mentioned in Liston's favor (not least being superior power) makes it somewhat of a more close call between the two, IMO. I guess Larry might have the edge because, as Frazier was with the left hook, Holmes was a savant with the jab - and, as JT stated in a prior post, everything else worked off the jab for Larry - the jab being very much Larry's primary and oft used weapon.

If anyone hasn't read this before, I highly recommend this SI Vault Article published just prior to Liston vs Ali 1964. It's very accurate, on point and very realistic in its analysis of the upcoming fight, including examination of the all important characteristics of each man's training and preparations in the lead up. In part, it details the multi faceted attributes and formidable nature of Liston's jab. It also details Ali's own attributes - I may post the link to another thread for which the description of Ali's prime "defence" is more than relevant to the thread's question.

[url]LISTON'S EDGE: A LETHAL LEFT | Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com[/url]

 

Mike Tyson wasn’t KOd by busters jab. Tyson was KOd by Tyson. His life was a mess he wasn’t training properly from all accounts. Kudos to Douglas for fighting the fight of his life and taking advantage. Prime for prime Douglas ain’t winning.
But to answer your question there isn’t as good a KO win as over Tyson but the rest of the KO resume is Liston by a mile.

 

Just looked more powerful. They were different jabs for sure. Holmes had a great stinging fast jab. Def looked like it hurt but not hurt in the way a Liston or Foreman jab might hurt.

 

Here's Liston feinting to hook with the left and then throwing a terrific straight left to knock a guy clean off his feet -

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Here's Liston hurting a guy and then knocking him clean off his feet with a terrific leaping left jab -

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Looks pretty powerful. Imagine some of the things he would have done in the loads of fights we don't have film of.

 

I agree. Tyson definitely wasn't knocked out by Douglas's jab so what relevance does that have to this thread?

 

He's back!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were perma-banned, seems I was wrong. My apologies. Great to have you back!

 

The opponents was down on the canvas, heavily!!!

 

I recently watched Buster Douglas vs Mike Williams based on @McGrain recommending it in a jabbing thread awhile ago.

I'll tell you Douglas's jab was scary in that fight, floored Williams 3 times with the jab and the 3rd knockdown, Douglas almost KO'ed Williams with the jab.

He also rocked Williams numerous times with the jab, I don't think I've ever seen a jab have that type of an effect on a opponent consistently throughout a fight.

Funnily enough Williams was considered a good opponent for Tyson at that time, until Douglas ended that abruptly. Looking at Douglas's last 3 fights before the Tyson fight, he was on quite a roll and I think Tyson should of took Douglas more seriously, especially looking at Douglas's performance against Williams.