Demetrious Johnson the GOAT

Of course he can win. Anything can happen in MMA. But the facts are he got outsmarted in their fight. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with Fedor being his prime or not. That excuse is tired and palyed out. And people are doing what Fedor is doing far passed 33. Now obviously every fighter's lifespan is different, but I can only judge people by what they've accomplished. And when he stepped up to strikeforce, he was exposed.

Now was he in the most competitive HW era? I don't know. Honestly I don't know MMA history enough to even comment on that.

 

There's no rule for when a fighter can and can't fall off. Fedor already had a decade + of combat sports experience under his belt. RJJ wasn't exactly ancient when he fell off the ladder.

Werdum definitely baited him... When did I deny that? It wasn't even a legitimate KD, and Werdum has tried that tactic since and it's almost always failed. But Fedors lack of focus and sheer recklessness is definitely a sign that he wasn't what he used to be, the subsequent losing streak is only further proof. Fedor is the clear HW GOAT, that much is certain... Never said he was the GOAT period. While the mystique of Fedor was sort of shattered, there are many who downplay his career.. What he did in Pride was special, underheard of at the time... And against the very best competition available. The UFC HW division wasn't really better than the competition until the collapse of Affliction, Elite XC etc. So Fedor never avoided the best competition, since the UFC's HW division wasn't the best until late 2009-2010.

I can definitely see the parallels between MM and GGG... But Rousey? No way... MM is a top notch mixed martial artist even if some are too high on him atm... Rousey was a one trick pony, and as soon as she was exposed her career was over lol.

 

" the subsequent losing streak is only further proof."
Or it could be further proof of him not being able to keep up with the sport that had caught up to him. Or he could just be mentally weak, after taking first loss, everything went downhill for him. I have no problem with you having Fedor the GOAT HW, I honestly don't know enough MMA history to debate this. But h2h I have to highly disagree. I think these guys now are in a whole different level tahn he is.

As for my comparison with MM/Rousey, my point is simple. Both of them are dominating divisions that doesn't have a lot of talent coming in. How many midgets, and females want to do MMA compared to males from 145+.

 

You would have a valid point if he lost to guys that posed a different threat than what he saw in Pride. Werdum, Silva and Henderson don't fit that mold. I think Fedor might have a hard time with someone like Cain, prime JDS and a juiced to the gills Overeem, Miocic. But other than that at his VERY best.. He'd have an easy run at things. There's a bunch of fossils and mediocre brutes like Lewis contending today, the top of the HW division isn't even better than is was in pride/ufc in the early 2000s tbh.. Outside of maybe 1-2 names.

 

Could he have been competitive with them? Sure. I think he loses to most of them in the UFC though, when they were all at their peak. You say Werdum didn't fit that mold, but he lost to Werdum as an undefeated fighter lol. Your point is silly. Werdum at his peak beats Fedor at his peak. When Fedor lost to Werdum he was still around his peak imo, he was just completely outsmarted and baited. And yes of course it wouldn't work again with other fighters, they all caught on to it.

Anyways, this is getting boring with your passive aggressive sneak diss comments like "you would have a valid point if", so I'll just leave you to it. Not really in the mood to spend a couple hours debating a point and desperately trying to prove I'm right by trying to belittle you. At the end of the day I'm self-aware enough to realize that what we are arguing about is subjective, even though Fedor going 1-3 in strikeforce is a fact.

So before this goes on a 5 hour dick measuring contest, I'll gracefully bow out. Peace.

 

There's no passive aggression on my part... And yeah, I don't want to get in another circular argument with you either lol. So I'll agree to end it here too lol.

 

This is the problem with many people who started watching mma 2010 and later, they've only seen the past prime/shot versions of greats like Fedor, CroCop and Nog etc struggling in the twilight of their careers so they think that's all they were ever capable of. That or somehow this devastating wave of new, improved contenders pushed them out of the mix rather than the logical conclusion that they continued on way past their sell by date.

You had to watch Fedor on the comeup and in his prime to appreciate what a dominant force he was. Today's era is weak compared to mid 2000's Pride HWs. There are Fedor victims from a decade ago who are still top 10 contenders. Put Fedor in a time machine from 2005 to today and he'd be running **** just like he was then.

 

If you don't know enough about the history then why bother arguing a point?

Strikeforce was absolutely not seen as a step up in competition.

 

You think Benevidez is better than Rodrigo?

End of conversation.

 

We'll leave it there mate.

My knowledge post 2004 is almost none so i don't wanna go into too much detail but as of 2004 Nog is one of the greatest in history.

Once I've caught up my knowledge I'll get back to you.

 

Big Nog is one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time.. Certainly one of the greatest heavyweights. Anyone who doesn't rate him is either painfully ignorant of MMA history, or a victim of UFC propaganda - or both...