Dempsey footage

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  1. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Working on a Dempsey book.

    Looking for complete version or all the rounds from the Brennan fight.

    Looking for rounds 7 and 8 from the 1st Tunney fight.

    Looking for round 6 from the second Tunney fight.

    Thanks,

    Adam
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Close to three minutes of round 6 in this version. Starts at 15:12 and goes to 17:55.

     
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  4. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got it thanks Dubblechin. Looks like my version had combined rounds 5 and 6 into one. This version better delineates it.

    Still looking for rounds 7 and or 8 of the Dempsey - Tunney I fight.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    Why are you skipping Willard? Or is it not part of In The Ring?

    Not complaining, just curious.
     
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  9. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wasn't too interested in continuing, Willard simply did not motivate me sufficiently, a bio on him recently came out, and I had several folks beg me to do Dempsey, which I could get up for given that he was a really entertaining dominant type fighter.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had a question about this. Figured this would be as good a place as any to ask.

    So there is a FightFilmsGuy version online showing rounds 1-6 and 9-10. Which does seem like the most complete version online.


    There is also the Big Fights/Jim Jacobs/ESPN version that shows rounds 1-6-9-10 that everyone is familiar with.


    However, in the Big Fights version of Dempsey-Tunney I, round 10 is clearly NOT round 10.

    Tunney goes back to his corner and sits down and his corner man waves a towel to cool him off. In fact, the last 30 seconds (maybe more) of Round 10 in the Big Fights version is clearly the end of Round 4 in the FightFilmsGuy version.

    The beginning of round 4 in the Fight Films Guy version (where Dempsey charges Tunney) is clearly different than the beginning of Round 10 in the Big Fights version, but at some point Big Fights added the end of round 4 to the round they are calling round 10.

    I haven't studied the entire Round 10 in the Big Fights version to see if other parts of the round match up to other rounds in the Fight Films Guy version, but FightFilmsGuy clearly has the real round 10, because both corners enter the ring at the end of the fight ... and it matches the end of the fight in this other version which just shows before the fight and after.



    So I was wondering if the beginning of Round 10 in the Big Fights version is actually a part of round 7 or 8? Has anyone bothered to look at the beginning of Round 10 in the Big Fights version to see if if was taken from rounds 1-6?

    It's odd there are so many different versions of the same fight and people can't agree on which rounds are which. And nobody seems to ever bring it up.
     
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  11. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Adam, I don't think that there has been enough in-depth research done on Jack Dempsey and his boxing career. In addition, I believe that the Dempsey autobiographies and biographies that I have read are inaccurate or have a number of glaring omissions.

    None of those autobiographies and biographies mention that A. J. Auerbach, a Salt Lake City businessman, managed Dempsey for a time. Yet I found that Dempsey would show up to watch bouts of A. J.'s son, Herman, in the Los Angeles area during the late 1920s.

    The same autobiographies and biographies contain very inaccurate information about Dempsey's first wife, Maxine Cates. She didn't die in a dancehall fire in Juarez during the 1920s or was fifteen years older than Jack. It turns out that she was a year younger than Jack, later got married to a man named Don Smith Devin during the 1920s, and worked as a beautician in Kansas City, Missouri before dying of double leukemia during 1939. There is information about the marriage of Jack and Maxine on the FamilySearch genealogical website. I found a document of Maxine's marriage to Don Smith Devin in digital form and a copy of her death certificate in digital form. The Find A Grave website also contains information about Maxine Devin.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  12. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In Dempsey's 1977 bio he claims that Cates was 15 years older than him.
     
  13. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In regards to Jack Dempsey's knockout loss to Fireman Jim Flynn, the description of that event in various Dempsey biographies and autobiographies is different from what is found in contemporary news reports. According to news reports, Dempsey was flattened and counted out, but according to the Dempsey biographies and autobiographies, the bout was stopped. One version has Dempsey's brother, Bernie, throwing in the towel with Dempsey protesting to Bernie about it.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  14. Seamus

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    The best rumor going was that Maxine was actually killed in that Juarez fire because she had run out of the money Jacobs had given her to be quiet about Jack's thrown fights and was starting to get mouthy about it.
     
  15. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    She claimed that she was one year younger than him.
     


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