(Dempsey) Heavyweights That Never Cut (Dempsey)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by The Kurgan, Dec 2, 2007.


  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Maybe so, i just think it's pretty hard to tell beforehand whether a certain boxer is prone to cuts or not, based on his face type.

    In some cases it is pretty obvious, like Henry Cooper:

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    But Wepner's face:
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    Does not imply cut susceptibility to me. Of course he got tagged a lot more than better boxers, but even among journeymen he was known as a bleeder.


    What about Quarry?

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    Vitali landed more punches. I think at best (for Lewis) they were evenly matched, that night. Lewis wasn't what he used to be. Klitschko won more rounds and landed more, but Lewis landed the harder punches. Lewis could take it, Vitali ('s skin) couldn't. Anyway, that's just one example. Byrd got cut badly against W.Klitschko. It goes both ways and a lot has to do with ability as you said.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    I think Holy cut a bit. Holmes cut him. Ali was only cut once ( vs B. Foster )
     
  3. mcvey

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    Bloody sweaties ,allways looking for a row!
     
  4. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think in the case of Wepner it was partly just papery skin, and the way his cheekbones/bones under the eyebrow jag out. Extensive alcohol consumption no doubt hurt his constitution in some way as well. However, I admit it's hard to tell before the fact.


    VERY low eyebrows, which is where he got cut. His cheekbones are practically invisible, but I don't think he was ever cut there. On a random note, the one time I've heard him commentate (Foreman-LeDoux) Quarry was the best "boxer-turned-co-commentator" that I've ever heard. Yes, EVEN better than Roy Jones.

    Vitali landed more punches, but of a lesser quality. While Lewis was less fit that night than ever before, he was as skilled as he'd ever been and had enough accuracy/timing left to work the cuts brilliantly. However, I think a lot of it was luck: had Lewis been cut over the eye and Vitali cut under the eye (or rather just cut under it) I might be saying "Vitali TKO6" to shut up the Lewis fans.

    Byrd-Wlad certainly shows that it's a matter of ability (and styles as well in that case). To be quite honest, even if Byrd had opened a gaping cut over Wlad's eye, I can't imagine him having either the ability or the will to capitolise on it.
     
  5. joe33

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    You really think lewis outclased vtali by that much,id say without the cuts that could have easily gone to the big ukranian guy,though i heard lewis did not train to good for this one.
     
  6. The Kurgan

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    It's hard to say (though it's been debated ad nauseum on this board) but I personally think that Vitali was more or less spent by the 6th. Lewis had found the punch to deal with him (the right uppercut) and at worst was looking at 6 ugly rounds towards a decision, in my opinion. Vitali had clearly shown he lacked the power to seriously hurt Lewis.

    Lewis did not train well because he was preparing for Kirk Johnson, who (at least since the Ruiz fight) was considered a bit of a bad joke in spite of his abilities.
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Fair enough Kurgan.

    Now for the big test! Do you expect Alexander Povetkin to be susceptible to cuts?

    He had a small cut in his fight against Byrd, i think from a headbutt. Confirming your earlier statement of Byrd probably not capitalising on a Klitschko cut if there was one, Byrd indeed did very little with it for the other 6 rounds after.

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  8. joe33

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    Fair enough at least on here we are far nicer about that fight,the general forum was a joke was it not when talking about who would have won if he had not cut.
    Was a great fight though,and maybe in a way,the last really decent HW fight,that was all action and lived up to its hype.:good
     
  9. Mendoza

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    The guys who tend to cut are the fighters with extra calcium deposits on their brows or cheek bones.

    Basically, the smoother and less angular the forehead is above the eye region, and less prominent the cheekbones are below the eye region, the less likely they are to cut.

    Cuts are caused when the skin pinched against the bones of the face. Skin losses it’s elastically as fighters’ age as well. I don’t think Povetkin will have problems with cuts, though his style of intelligent and aggressive swarming will put him in danger of getting head butted from shorter fighters.
     
  10. The Kurgan

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    I think he's vulnerable to cuts over the eyes, but not under. His cheekbones seem right. At first I thought his eyebrows were a bit low, but on a second look the bones look very smooth, so that should be ok. I think he will be cut now and again (like almost all boxers are) but I'd be surprised if it becomes a problem in his career. He just doesn't seem to have enough vulnerability for it to happen often enough.
     
  11. The Kurgan

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    It may be the millions of times that I've watched it, but I found the fight a bit ugly and clinch-heavy, with too little skill from both men. Both boxers have been much more impressive in other fights, in my opinion. However, it was very competitive, and that alone made it a rarity amongst modern heavyweight fights. I'd say Lyakhovich-Brewster was more entertaining.