Dempsey, Liston, Holyfield, Frazier.

jea,thats true

 

Dempsey had the greatest legacy, but there is no doubt in my mind that Frazier would KO all of these men. Although im a massive fan of Liston i dont think he would have the same power as Foreman to KO him (although there styles are very similar).
The most dominant in the ring was Liston and Frazier, constantly stalking and landing power shots on there opponents untill there chin gives in. Frazier would sometimes have to wait untill the later rounds to KO his opponents but Liston would get the job done in the early rounds and in dramatic fashion.

 

The three worst efforts on record in HW title fights are the one rounders involving patterson against liston and liston against ali. the winners beat nothing in those fights -yet 70% of Listons legend was made from two of them.

h2h Liston is still riding on a lot of revised 1980s tyson chic.

Sonny was a great fighter in 1960 but went stale from lack of competition after that point.

 

Dempsey
Frazier
Liston
Holy

 

Dempsey era to different to judge how well he would do against holyfield, frazier and liston. My bet is holyfield would win against frazier or liston. That liston would win over frazier. Why?. I think holyfield's combination of heart, durability, toughness and skill would help him win. Neither, frazier or liston could have beaten foreman and holyfield did. As far as liston vs. Frazier , thats a toss up but i very slighly favor liston.

 

floyd was a great heavyweight but he was no more a great heavyweight against Liston than sonny was second time around against ali. Did Ali fight a great fighter when he defended against Liston?

 

But there was no internet in 1987...thats when it all started, about the time the phraise "baddest man on the plannet" was coined.

 

But regardless of wlad being the man to beat if he loses in 30 seconds and fights like he never wanted to there would we say the real wlad got iced? angelo dundee always says Floyd froze, he was the man to beat but what did Liston beat? was it the real floyd? howard king gave him more trouble. It was a non effort from floyd as bad as Liston was against ali in their one rounder.

he was, he just did not show up. Floyd had been KO'd in the last 18 months himself. chuvalo fought a better floyd than Liston did.

But Liston did not do himself any justice. he did not want to be there so who did ali beat? a guy about as good as floyd was against Liston, a guy not trying who could not perform.

what was he beating? do you think floyd tried? he froze. the way he fought against liston any contender would have beat him. it was a bag work out for sonny, nothing came back.

 

I prety much agree with your view on Liston as the lowest of this pack of four.

getting back to the one round wins though who do you think put in the best losing effort out of spinks, Liston or patterson? and going by their efforts who could they have actualy beat that night?

I just think neither were in the right frame of mind to even fight on those nights.