Dempsey v the other great heavyweights

Funny you should make the Duran analogy as I often feel watching the early Dempsey footage that Dempsey is very much like a heavyweight Duran ... very crafty, very fast, very hard to hit flush and killer instinct and power ... even on his last legs in the second Tunney bout , look at how fast that combination of punches is that decks Gene ... if Jack still had legs he KO's Tunney ... Dempsey was no limited slugger ...

 

That would go to Joe Louis

 

Your Telling me 37 year old 167lb Fitzimmons hit harder than 37 year old 6'2 215lb Joe Louis? Im not buying it at all. Louis was ALWAYS a better harder puncher than fitzimmons and had 3" in height and an amazing

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in weight disparity. Louis defintley had heavier fists.


I also think Archie Moore was just as hard a puncher as fitz, archie rated # 4 on Rings Top 100 punchers of all time. archie had the most knockouts of all time, and frankly i dont see what fitz had that topped moores straight right.

 

Fitz was 167lb, No way he hit harder than joe louis who outweighed him by 50lb!!

 

We have been over this before. Louis lost his speed and timing, and only stopped 4 of his last 10 opponents. Fitz was still knocking guys flat when he meet Jeffries for the 2nd match.

Fitz was thought of to be the harder puncher according to Nat F. While I not sure if this is right or not, I do think it is close. Fitz had lethal power. He killed three men in his boxing career. Two from ring fights, and another from a sparring session.

In terms of who beat better heavyweights, I think Fitz beat better ones than Moore did.

 

Natural Raw Power, every puncher including the greatest one of all time has it. Natural raw power is the last thing to leave a fighter. Louis at 37 still had raw heavy handed power, and compared to the average heavyweight his handspeed was still good. Louis looked devastating flattening durable contenders pat valentino and lee savold in 1950, and louis flattened future # 1 heavyweight contender big nino valdez in 1 round. Marciano and ezz charles faces were all busted up after fights with louis. louis can be seen in early rounds vs marciano letting his hands go ripping marciano with powerful shots that hurt.


once again fitz and louis were both 37 but louis was 6'2 215lb while fitz was 5'11 167lb. thats a near 50lb difference.

fitz beat corbett, sharkey ruhlin maher.

Moore beat Bivins 4x valdez 2x baker henry lavorante


While I think Corbett is the best out of all the wins, I think moore clearly beat the better depth, and I also think Nino Valdez and Bob Baker were far better than any big heavyweights fitz ever beat.

 

Jack Dempsey had amazing footwork, something never talked ive never seen a swarmer so light and fast on his toes like dempsey. i think he matches up better vs boxers than sluggers cause he can track them down easier and they dont have the power to stop him, but he has the power and aggresiveness to get them outta there. I think dempsey beats ali in one of my fantasy upsets. hes one of only 2 men in history who would beat ali.

 

Dempsey is one fighter who has a chance against the greatest. At his peak he was very quick and had devastating punches. His left hook cud cause a lot of problems. Most Underated heavy on this board by far.

 

Are you a ****ing lunatic?! Honestly, I'm about as big a Dempsey supporter you can find on this board, but you're just outright making **** up. Never KO'd? Fireman Jim Flynn ring any bells? I don't seriously take into account that fight when judging Dempsey's chin, because he wasn't prime, was living under harsh conditions at the time, and it very well could have been a fix, but you can't just run around saying he was never KO'd when his record shows a KO loss, even if it is arguable whether or not it was legitmate. Never floored except by Tunney? He was floored at least twice by Firpo, maybe three times, and was dropped by Johnny Sudenberg when he was a teenager. Also, how was Frazier a non-punching version of anything? Manilla set a record for most punches in a heavyweight title bout, and you don't KO 27 oppenents out of 32 wins without throwing punches, damn good punches at that.

 

How hard was it for him to get sparring partners after that?

 

I also see Dempsey giving Ali a lot of problems. I think he'd win one out of three.

 

Dempsey had a good chance of beating Ali,Frazier and Foreman and Holmes but could lose, had a punchers chance vs Lewis, I see Marciano beating him in a war of attrtion