Dempsey v the other great heavyweights

You think he's a better technical fighter than Tyson?

 

If mediocrities like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman could take Lewis out, I'd say Dempsey has a damn good shot. :yep :nod :yep

 

A prime Louis was as beautiful and powerful a combination puncher as I have ever seen. Look at the KO's of Baer, Galento, Buddy Baer, Conn and others .. you just dont see that sort of punching ...however, post retirement comeback he lost much of his power. He barely floored anyone he fought. Marciano, extremely respectful of Joe said he was shocked how little power Louis had with the right. He was expecting much more.

Fitz was a freak. He was close to Langford as all time hardest hitting pound for pound. In addition, he was closer to the mid 170's at the time you are refering to and still knocking guys dead. It just may be fair to say that that Fitz, who was much better preserved than the 37 year old Louis, hit as hard if not harder. Asl Apollock about this as it is his area of experte.

 

how come you hadvnt watched the fight yet? the first 5 rounds are very exciting, both dish out tremendous punishment, i have louis ahead after 5 rounds. then rock takes over.

 

No one is saying Louis hit like he did in his prime, defintley not nowhere near. but he could still hit hard even at 37 this is an undeniable fact.


Ezzard Charles said Joe Louis punches felt like being hit with telephone pole. rocky claimed louis jab felt like getting hit with a hammer.


Rex layne who fought joe louis in a live exhibition in 1950s, who later fought rocky marciano said "Joe Louis even in 1950 hit harder than rocky marciano"


Rocky Marciano hit Lee Savold with everything but the kitchen sink and savold didnt go close to going down. One Joe Louis left hook in the 6th round knocked lee savold out cold in 1951, the first time savold had been kayoed for the 10 count in MANY years.


Jimmy Bivins who fought Louis in 1951 said in a Ring Magazine article Louis lost his reflexes and speed, but he said one thing louis still had left in 1951 was Louis still had tremendous power.


Big Cuban Nino Valdez future # 1 heavyweight contender fought louis in a live exhibition in 1950, louis knocked him out cold in 1 round.


Pat Valentino a durable contender see youtube clip fought joe louis in 1950 louis knocked him out brutally, louis can be seen ripping heavy handed combinations right through valentino.

 

Strange as it may seem to some, I've always felt that Dempsey was the one HW from the first half of the last century that would give the modern greats the most trouble from a style standpoint. Never mind his record or who he beat or comparing him to other great HW's of that time period. Stylasitically I think Dempsey would have the best chance of beating an Ali or Lewis or Holmes. His bob and weave style combined with his fast lethal hands and quick feet would stand him in good stead against the modern greats. Jack was bigger and quicker tham Marciano and was harder to hit than Louis due to his head movement. Rocky may have been hard to hit due to his crouch but it would be hard for Rocky to reach an Ali or Holmes due to his ridiculously short reach and rather slow footwork, disadvantages Dempsey wouldn't suffer from. Plus Jack's hands were a lot faster than Rocky's. One look at the combo that he decked Tunney with in thier second fight clearly illustrates this. Rocky was something of a one- and -a -two puncher though there was plenty of power behind them of course. I just think that Dempsey was better equipped stylewise to deal with the modern HW. I'm not saying he would beat them all. not by a longshot, but I think he would give them the most Hell so to speak. Any takers out there?

 

Yes.

Dempsey was not as physicaly gifted as Tyson, or as durable, but he did polish his technique off better. I think particularly his inside game was superior, and that he made better use of mobility. I also think that his bob and weave was slightly more elegant.

The scary thought is that these are all deficiencies that Tyson would have corected if he had stayed focused for five years after the Spinks fight. You could have ended up with a fighter who had Tysons physical asets and Dempseys polish.

 

Well until you actually see the fight, I dont want to hear u in threads calling Louis shot and washed up when he fought marciano. As for louis taking a beating, he dished out alot of punishment to marciano in the first 5 rounds, to me it was an exciting fight to watch. dont buy into the popular myths.

 

have u watched louis vs valentino the clip on youtube? that happened right around the time he fought marciano. louis looked like a big machine finishing off valentino.


did u see louis vs charles just curious?