Dempsey Vs Ali

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Oh sure Ali was too good, Ali Was too fast, Ali hit too hard, ect, ect, ect.
Dempsey, was slow, Dempsey stumbled coming in, Dempsey's face would be cut up,
Dempsey's footwork was erratic, Dempsey overextends, etc,etc,etc.
All part of the Ali cult, need I say anymore....
Only on ESB folks,
Only on ESB.

 

Compared to the typical, informed boxing nut, I am an Ali dissenter.

But even I acknowledge he surpasses Dempsey in just about every way so far as his career and accomplishments... and ability.

 

And how old was Wills when Uz fought him again ? U could almost read your comment as brushing off Wills ... but we know you would not insinuate that Burt, would you ?

:think

 

Nice try he, but NO CIGAR...I was NOT casting any aspersions on Harry Wills, but as an aside mentioned Paolino Uzcudun as the last opponent of Harry Wills. NO MORE NO LESS...Criticize me for what I post if you will, not what you perceive my inner mind...cheerio...

 

It was the smaller hwts that gave Ali the most trouble. Ali beat up on every large fighter he faced in his prime. If you think Ali is going to have it easy with the best smaller hwt he would ever face then you should question your knowledge of the subject. Dempsey had the speed to give Ali fits and his inside game dwarfed Frazier by a mile. Ali wins this one over 15 tough rounds. Just like Frazier did in 71 Dempsey exposes Ali as being a sucker for a left hook. Ali had no inside game so as Frazier did Jack dominates on the inside. At distance it's all Ali but he finds Dempsey a difficult target...as he found Frazier. Difference here though is Dempsey is a far greater and highly skilled fighter than Frazier ever was. Mid rounds Dempsey pounds viciously to the body and catching Ali at distance with his quick hook. Late rounds are give and take. Ali wins 8-7, 9-6 in rounds in an exciting action packed fight between two of boxings all time best.

 

Come on now Burt .... he flattened Wills but no mention of the fact that Wills was 38 ? Let's just say you were selective in your description ... :nono

 

My mentioning the name of Harry Wills was not INTENDED to BELITTLE the record of Mr.Wills, as I am terribly aware of Will's being 38 years old when he was stopped by Uzcudun in 1927... That 38 year old Harry Wills was not the Harry Wills of his PRIME I understand perfectly well he, and Mr Dempsey of 1926 after a THREE year layoff without ONE tune-up bout, was not the speedy vicious killer of HIS PRIME, JUST AS WELL.
I am not related to Jack Dempsey [wish I were], but on ESB everytime
there is a fantasy thread of Dempsey against anyone, some ESB posters
invariably bring up the Dempsey of the Tunney fight, knowing full well
[or maybe not ?] that this was a rusty, shot Jack Dempsey in NAME only...
So I join the fray protecting the legacy of as tough, and great a heavyweight we have had, irregardless of size...cheerio.

 

I think they both have stylistic issues here to be honest. Ali clearly had problems with both pressure fighters and left hookers. The left hook is inherently the hardest punch to avoid going back wards anyway.

Dempsey is not going to be the best pressure fighter that Ali has faced in terms of applying consistent pressure, but he is certainly going to be the best finisher he has faced to combine these stylistic characteristics.

No, I would have to consider this one to be very much up in the air.

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I don't think Dempsey is a pure enough pressure fighter to be considered a stylistic foil for Ali.

 

I agree that the pure pressure fighters such as Marciano and Frazier are a better bet than the pure finishers such as Dempsey and Tyson, in terms of finding somebody to beat Ali.

I do think that the latter group still pose serious stylistic problems for him however. The Ali opponent who comes closest to Dempsey stylistically, is Floyd Patterson, and he did rather well in their second encounter.

 

Ali, bomaye, but certainly no knockouts here.

 

I think Ali is a nightmare for Dempsey and Louis. Not just because he's a better fighter (everyone at this level is good enough that 'better' is a useless qualifier) but he's the apotheosis of what troubled them so much-a durable, fast mover. I don't see real trouble for Ali here although I can see Dempsey dropping him in my minds eye, if Ali underestimates him.

I need to rewatch Ali-Patterson 2. Been awhile.