Dempsey vs greb 15 rounds

Is the purpose of this to demean Dempsey, or are you really that much of a Greb fan?

 

Tunney was young and green in first Greb fight, and was still developing in next bouts with Greb. Also different styles. Dempsey hit way harder than most, while Tunney was a good puncher, not like Dempsey though.

 

Greb KO15 Dempsey

 

Greb starts fast, wins the first third, but wears down. Dempsey would start imposing his size and his bodywork would start slowing Greb in the middle rounds and eventually Greb would go down.

 

Did Greb really do better against common opponents?

At least, common opponents around the same time Dempsey faced them. When Dempsey was in his prime?

You could argue that at certain times Greb did fare better than Dempsey in short bouts or ones where Dempsey could be outboxed for a bit, but I think the important thing to note is that Dempsey was knocking these men out. Brennan, Miske, Levinsky, Morris, Fulton...

... Greb would probably look better than Dempsey in the early goings, just as he is alleged to have done in sparring, but towards the middle rounds the gulf in power and size would take its toll, heavily. Greb would see the end of the bout but the last five rounds would sway heavily in Dempsey's favour I should imagine.

This is all based on the belief that Greb can really hang with Dempsey - I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and relaying the myth a little bit, but I do genuinely believe he'd last til the end. Take the first five, split the next five, Dempsey takes the last five... Close decision but Dempsey definitely wins the battle.

 

A couple of rounds sparring is different to 15 rds,Im sure Dempsey was trying flat out in sparring, but Greb was a tough guy to catch.
Greb takes an early lead and makes Jack look a bit silly,by the 4th round Dempsey would be frothing at the mouth ,by the 8th ,Jack would have landed some big stuff to slow the Windmill down a bit,from the 9th its Dempsey's fight .
Greb said at the finish of his series with Tunney "Gene was too big and hit too hard".Dempsey was NOT Tunney , he commences to land regularly after the 9th rd and scores a stoppage win late ,maybe around the 13th-14thrd.
No disgrace for Harry to put up such a battle against the Mauler.

 

Doing a good job of pointing out examples and I would agree with you, but like I said, it's the knockout that makes me think otherwise. Greb was undeniably a greater fighter for his size, having decisioned those men so many times that Dempsey perhaps struggled with (sometimes), but his punishing blows were in a different league.

 

The best analogy I can think of at the moment is Monzon-Napoles. Napoles was probably winning those first two rounds, hooking Monzon quickly and surprising him at times, but then the physicalities shone through in Monzon's favour. In sparring you could imagine the same thing happening, but in a real fight it's when the bigger man hits back hard in the middle rounds that something starts to happen. If Dempsey cracked Greb hard enough, would Greb even recover?