Dempsey vs Tunney, 1924. 15 rounds. 22 x 22 ring.

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  1. Mendoza

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    Dempsey vs Tunney, 1924. 15 rounds. 22 x 22 ring.

    Suppose they fought one year after Dempsey's TKO 2 over Firpo in 1923.

    Dempsey would have been 29 and active. In his absolute prime. Tunney 26, perhaps a little pre-prime in terms of gaining the muscle weight he eventually put on.

    How do you see it unfolding?
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

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    Dempsey wasn't really prime at 29. His best performance said so by himself was at 24 and everything else was downhill from that.
     
  3. red cobra

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    Tunney by a wide 15 round decision.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    No. Dempsey's absolute prime was 1918-1919.
    You could argue that his prime extends to the Carpentier fight in 1921, but certainly not beyond that.
     
  5. foreman&dempsey

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    tunney beats toledo dempsey too, styles, with a bigger ring it is all of tunney
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Most heavies are in their prime at age 29, unless they took a beating or had some major injury.

    The date 1924 was used, as Dempsey was active and flying high with his 2nd round win over Firpo. You could also argue Tunney as a heavyweight was pre- prime in 1924, so it evens out.

    After seeing what's out there between the two fights, I think Tunney had the movement, stamina, game plan, and skills to defeat Dempsey in 1924. Obviously, it would have been more competitive, but I think the result would be the same.
     
  7. dempsey1234

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    Dempsey was beat up in ten rds. A 15 rdr, I don't know. Depends if Dempsey was trained for a 15rdr. The 10 rd Dempsey might have had problems going 15.
     
  8. Chuck1052

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    By 1924, Gene Tunney had improved quite a bit as a fighter while Jack Dempsey had slipped a little. At that time, Tunney probably reached a point that he would have been a very bad matchup for even a vintage Dempsey.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

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    Not everyone is prime at 29. Some people have early primes some have late primes and others have great longevity. Usually the more explosive fighters like Tyson, Frazier, and Dempsey have shorter primes while guys who avoid punishment or are slicker like Ali and Tunney have greater longevity.

    Also look at Dempsey's circumstances. He was very inactive during his reign and clearly had slowed down by the Firpo fight. None of his performances come close to that of the Willard fight.
     
  10. Seamus

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    Willard was made to order, a larger, softer, older, inactive fighter who was ripe to be overwhelmed.

    Do we consider Dempsey to be prime a year later when he struggles with Brennan?

    Still, if an older, staler Dempsey was able to catch and almost finish a verifiably prime Tunney.... I'm going to have to take him to do so a few years before under these circumstances.
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

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    I'm going off of what Dempsey himself said. He said that his best performance and his absolute prime was at the age of 24. He claimed that he gathered all of the knowledge of boxing and had nothing else to learn. (He wasn't saying he mastered all of the skills, just that he knew everything to know about boxing.) In effect saying that he was at the absolute pinnacle of his game.
     
  12. Seamus

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    Fine. I would argue that he was still a vulnerable guy on some levels, as are all champions, but perhaps he was more vulnerable than others if that was in fact his very best.

    Regardless, I think he tracks down a 1924 version of Tunney and stops him.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Well,

    Dempsey had no issues chasing Tommy Gibbons around the ring in 1923 when he was 28 years old. I think he would be fine in 1924 ad 29 years of age.

    Those who say Dempsey was at his best in 1918, still have to explain to me why he lost to Meehan in 1918. Tunney could do everything Meehan did, but better.

    Dempsey also was behind and had to come back in his 1920 match vs. Bill Brennan.

    So from 1918, to 1920, Dempsey had his speed bumps. Yet in 1921 ( Carpenter ) and 1923 ( Gibbons ) he won easily.
     
  14. mcvey

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    I'd prefer the Dempsey of 1921.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Six months after beating Dempsey ,Meehan did the same thing to Langford.