Dempsey vs Wills article

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Perry, Jul 30, 2015.


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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It's what you have done on the Johnson v Ketchel thread.
     
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  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Silly man. All I stated was my observation that ketchel hit Johnson with a right hand that appeared to have an effect. That's EXACTLY what you see if you watch the film of the bout. Does this mean Johnson was not an ARG? IF COURSE NOT. Its one punch. BUT it's a punch in 40 years of watching that fight you never observed. You should be thanking me for pointing it out rather than cursing me like some sort of a low life.
     
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  3. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Atg
     
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  4. mcvey

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    As I explained to you, I saw it and all the other punches but I gave it no significance because in my view ,and the view of everyone else apart from your self and your new pal Mendoza it was partially blocked and did no damage .
    Has it ever occurred to you that you are in the distinct minority simply because you are wrong and not because you have some gifted insight?
    Obviously not, how complacent and smug are you?
    How long have you been here? Long enough to seriously **** off nearly everyone who is worth reading.
     
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  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've been reading these boards for years.

    You never stated you saw the punch and you flatly denied it occurred! What a liar!

    I asked you to watch the fight on YouTube and instead you posted newspaper accounts! I assume you don't have high speed cable???????????

    Admit you were completely wrong to curse just because you were wrong. Be a man.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK, well we all make mistakes and you've been corrected now. There was a significant difference.

    I think you are probably angling now to have them judged only on defences not on activity in their title years. Even if you do this, because one Dempsey fight has to be removed, Jeffries still has more activity per year, although he'll no longer have double the activity of Dempsey.


    Well, it's you that's making the erroneous claim about Demspey being as active as Johnson and Jeffries when I've proven he isn't. Let's look again so it's as clear as it can possibly be for you (...which is a polite way of saying you've made another mistake :D)

    1919: Dempsey wins the title and has no other fights. Jeffries managed a fight in the second half of the year after winning the title in the summer like Dempsey. Dempsey did not. I haven't counted the championship winning fight for any fighter. If you want to count Willard that's fine, but it's an additional fight for each man.

    1919: 0
    1920: 2, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan
    1921: 1, Georges Carpantier
    1922: 0
    1923: 2, Angel Firpo, Tommy Gibbons
    1924: 0
    1925: 0
    1926: 1 Gene Tunney



    Six fights in eight years. If we add this exhibition you want added, it's seven fights in 8 years. Johnson and Jeffries manage better than a fight a year; even if you include Dempsey's exhibition or whatever, he's still running way less than both of them.

    Nothing here has been made up. It is all exactly as described. This is another mistake you won't be apologising for I guess.

    And before you embarrass yourself: yes, Jeffries had defences/fights in the year he won the title counted, just like Dempsey.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Be a man , you cabbage I've had more fights in and out of the ring than you had jerkoffs you dozy little ****.
    I have high speed cable , an extensive collection of fights to view on a 50" HD screen, I subscribe to Box Nation, ESB ,and Sky Sports . I 've seen more fights and read more news reports and books than a jumped up little turd like you will do the rest of his pompous little life.Go do one.
     
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  8. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well if you want to brag. I have three 50 inch HD flat screen TVs (FR and two BR) and a 70 inch in my audio video room. All of this has nothing to do with the point of discussion.
     
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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are a true liar.

    The time period between Dempsey winning the title to losing it to Tunney was NOT eight years. So you are purposely rigging the numbers to try to make your version of the facts look better.

    I never stated Dempseys activity was as good as or better than Jeffries or Johnson. I stated it was not significantly different from those who held the championship from Sullivan to Braddock aside from Burns. And his activity was Not significantly different. All those before him took the title on the road fighting exhibitions, vaudeville, plays and in the case of Dempsey motion pictures. They all took the title on the road and this includes Dempsey.
     
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  10. Legend X

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    Jack Dempsey was champion for 7 years, 2 months, and 19 days, by my reckoning.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Perry, you are being absolutely ridiculous. I treat all three fighters the same. They ALL get each fight that they fought while champion counted, they each get EVERY calender year they were champion for counted except Johnson's first year as champ because he won the title with 5 days of 1908 remaining :lol:

    Dempsey was champion for NINE MONTHS of 1926 - no reason not to count that year - and FIVE MONTHS of 1919 - no reason not to count that year.

    Jeffries has both years counted too.

    I know. And now you know it was considerably worse.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Yeah, nobody is saying he was champ for 8 years. I'm saying he was champ in eight calender years which is correct. It wouldn't even need "clearing up" if it wasn't for baby-ears here.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    You are a true liar. Isn't that an oxymoron? Anyway that's both of us .:lol:
     
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  14. Seamus

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    Including the 3 year and 9 day layoff he felt obliged to take after the Firpo bout.
     
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  15. Legend X

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    Yes, of course, he was champion up until the final bell of the Tunney fight.
     
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