The other point is both of those bouts are considered exhibitions by some. As an example Jeffries himself called his bout with Griffin an exhibition. Cyber boxing zone lists both bouts as exhibitions as another example.
Like the elephant in the room someone denies is there, the fact remains though some posters to bolster their argument of Dempsey completely avoiding Harry Wills are these... Jack Dempsey and Harry Wills DID sign for a bout with a Michigan promoter that was LATER cancelled because Fitzsimmons could not get financial backers to come up with the contracted dough...This is a FACT and it was NOT Dempsey's fault that the bout was terminated...Even Harry Wills exonerated Dempsey...But his naysayers today conveniently BURY this fact. 2- I have over many decades read about the terrible race riots that occurred the day after the Jeffries/Johnson HWT title fight in Reno....Many riots occurred and many folks were injured and many died as a result... From that terrible time after, promoters and State Boxing commissions avoided interracial heavyweight title bouts across the nation...And because of this a decent man like Harry Wills NEVER got a title shot because of those riots...Dempsey HAD nothing to do with this event that happened in Reno...Even Harry Wills admitted this. It is so easy for today's critics to conveniently overlook these facts and make a decent chap Jack Dempsey the sole scapegoat and scoundrel because of events a decade earlier. What gets me sad is they finally DID sign for a bout, with a Michigan boxing promoter because Tex Rickard would not arrange a mixed bout Title fight and William Muldoon from the NY State boxing commission wouldn't sanction it.... But eventually they, Dempsey and Wills, did sign for a bout and through no fault of the willing Dempsey it was cancelled... Even Harry Wills didn't blame Dempsey, and no fair minded boxing fan should now 90 years afterward... I'll say this one more time, all of us are products of our times, and so were the boxers of the early 1900's...
Jeffries embarked on a series of exhibitions staged over 4 rounds emulating Sullivan.There was a bonus of $100 to any fighter that could stay the 4 rounds with him .In the sense that an unofficial decision was announced,[whether the opponent had successfully negotiated the 4 rounds,] they were fights but they were billed as, and essentially were exhibitions. NB The referee of the Jeffries v Munroe four rounder Duncan McDonald rendered a decision after the bout was over, he gave it to Munroe.Munroe received $250 for lasting the 4 rounds instead of the $100 he had been promised for just having a go.
The key word is less. In terms of average fights in a year for their championship periods, Johnson and Jeffries both boxed nearly double the occasions that Dempsey did. Big difference, concrete fact. Of course. Incorrect.
The reason HW fighters Dempsey's era and before fought less as titleholders then after, was because of money they made not having to risk their titles.. Before TV,and Radio,Movies with sound to see a HW champ was a treat to people .Many who probably never saw a fight cause laws restricting boxing or static from their community by being seen at a prizefight...Hell Boxing was illegal in NY for many years that bouts were "Exhibitions...Well guess what ?? the Depression killed vaudeville People had movies and now boxers couldn't tap that source of income ,that could make them thousands ..It was gone! Joe louis couldn't make 1000's a week as the HW champ appearing as a "See the Great Joe Louis Live in Person" anywhere without fighting cause that opportunity wasn't around if it was you can bet his Manager's would have him doing that instead of fighting so often that it was erroneously called Bums of the Month Club cause they were not all bums But it didn't allow anyone of them to develop the skills to be a better challenge cause he was knocking them out before they could develop better. Using rapid fire punching ..both guns blazing, straight punching action pedal to the medal, bazookas in both hands "God he was something
Please let everyone know how 9 bouts in six years is double that of seven bouts in seven years? I stated they were similar. I did not say they were not different. Dempsey just like all those before him took his title on the road fighting hundreds of exhibitions and appearing in media. As mentioned the two four rounders of Jeffries is considered as exhibitions by some. Reading the newspaper accounts from that day is not conclusive regarding whether these were real bouts or exhibitions.
Well jeffries may called it an exhiition someone paying to watch it may have bought their ticket cause they heard it was going to be a 4 round fight
Per calender year post-winning the title between 1909 and 1915 inclusive, Jack Johnson boxed 10 times. 10 fights divided by 7 years = 1.4 fights per year, on average. Per calender year post-winning the title between 1899 and 1904, Jim Jeffries boxed 9 times. 9 fights divided by 6 years=1.5 fights per year Per calender year post-winning the title between 1919 and 1926, Jack Dempsey boxed six times. 6 fights divided by 8 years=.75 fights per year. .75 x2 =1.5 which is double, exactly as I said. Thanks. This should be very clear now - there's a great deal of difference between their activity levels. A great deal of difference. I know you don't like it - but it is true. And hopefully you now see that they are not. Big difference.
The term "exhibition" does not necessarily preclude the match from being a "real fight". Especially in the days of Jeffries and Dempsey where there were legal/moral sensibilities surrounding prize fights and boxing matches. Exhibition might just mean non-title fight or no-decision fight, or simply a nice way around legislation against prize fights.
But their activity was more pre-title in those days Dempseys was 11.4 a year before he won title where as Ali was 4.7 fights a year
Nobody is comparing Ali to Dempsey. This relates specifically to Perry's erroneous claim that only Burns demonstrated more activity than Dempsey between Sullivan and Braddock, and that Johnson and Jeffries did not.
Untrue. I wrote Dempseys record of fights as champion was not SIGNIFICANTLY different than those from Sullivan to Braddock. All before him took the title on the road. Dempsey did the same. No difference in this regard. If you include two four round bouts that some classify as exhibitions you must also include Dempseys 4 round win against Darcey. The time period for Dempsey is 7 years not 8. So that 7 bouts in 7 years. Is this what you do? Make things up to try to make the facts fit?