Dempsey would destroy Foreman

I'll say it yet again, Foreman is the antichrist for swarmers. Foreman would back up Dempsey and do exactly as Drew forecasts. He's too much in this one.

 

I'm not sure it's right to think of Dempsey as a mere "swarmer" though. (I'm not sure any of the greats can be categorized so easily.
The similarities between him and Frazier are less than the differences.
Similar to Tyson in style of delivery and explosiveness but his physical equipment and his footwork make the way he fights significantly different even with Tyson in this case.

Dempsey had relatively LONG ARMS and QUICK FEET, and his movement is nothing like the way Frazier plodded in against Foreman in 1973.

The prime Dempsey was versatile. He zig-zagged and glided all over the ring while sizing up Jess Willard. Against Carpentier he simply walked his man down. Against Gibbons he boxed high up on his toes for much of the time.
There's nothing flat-footed or straight-ahead about Dempsey in 1919.

Joe Frazier could have done better against Foreman if he had boxed and moved a bit, and if he had been in better condition/a bit younger. But Frazier lacked the explosiveness of Dempsey, and he was a bit slower on his feet and a bit less rangey, and it's likely Foreman would have gotten to any Frazier some time before Frazier has a chance to wear him down.

Tyson may have been able to beat Foreman, but I think he's SLIGHTLY slower on his feet, handicapped by reach and is sometimes a little more square on than Dempsey. I used to think Foreman would swat Tyson. Foreman is a badass, no question. But he was open to jolting straight punches, and Tyson's arsenal is stacked.

Dempsey has an even better chance, IMO.
He hits harder than Ali and I remember Ali was stunning Foreman in the first round with straight rights. Dempsey has the tools and if he employs the right stategy I think he can rip his shots into the openings. Foreman will tumble like he did against Lyle and Dempsey will finish him.

Having said that, Foreman was a badass and he has a good chance of pumelling anyone if he gets them hurt.
Personally I go with Dempsey's skill, explosive speed and precision over Foreman's brute strength and brutishness.

 

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Jones picked up a belt too. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have been knocked out cold if he had stayed there. No doubt he (Dempsey) could pick up a belt. But when he goes up against someone who has skill etc to go with his size like Lewis, it's going to be an awefully mismatched fight.

 

I tried it imaging it, and i saw it happening ! Tate is 6'6 and a journeyman. Foreman is 6'4 with a great uppercut. Dempsey is 6'1 which is too tall for a bob and weaver. Foreman will find him. Frazier went as low as Dempsey (with hands held high) and he was already two inches shorter than Dempsey, so i don't see why Foreman shouldn't be able to reach Dempsey.

Haye would give him a great fight. Other than that, he'd dominate.

 

I like this assessment...but I'll add this...
"If he doesn't get me in seven...his parachute ain't gonna open!"
Remember that line? It might play out that way...for Dempsey to have a chance in a wild one...I'll take George by KO in six...Foreman would walk behind his jab...attempting to push Dempsey into the ropes...Logic would state if Firpo was able to connect on Jack...Foreman would too.
George wears him down with the 'anywhere punch'...
But think about it...Ali shook George, and Young had him on the canvas...I would feel more comfortable picking the older, more composed Foreman against Dempsey...believe it or not.

 

I don't really understand what you're arguing. Foreman can't land his uppercut on a 6'1 man? Come on. That's like saying Dempsey can't land his overhand right on a 6'4 man.

Klitschko probably knocks him into next weak. Sam Peter is comparable but more skilled to Firpo. Chagaev is better than that. Povetkin is a bit of a questionmark in terms of chin, stamina and composure when hit and in trouble, but he looks extremely promising.

So no, i don't think he'd "easily" pick up belts and of course, because of politics it will be hard to get fights at all, though being a 190lbs matchstick he'll probably get fights rather easy just like when the 90's big guns saw Holyfield as easy pickings.

 

And why would Foreman not be able to reach him there? Just watch the first knockdown of Frazier-Foreman, Foreman caught Frazier with an uppercut right when Frazier was at his lowest. This happens more often.

Sanders is a big 6'4 220lb puncher with an unorthodox southpaw style. Wlad took him lightly and paid the price; he had no idea how to deal with being hurt back then. He's a totally different fighter. And i'm not saying Dempsey cannot win.

And Firpo is something special? Peter has more skill than Firpo and Firpo knocked Dempsey down twice, once badly; why would it be so much of a stretch to imagine Peter doing the same? I agree we have to see more on Chagaev and Povetkin.

A one in thousand chance, based on what? Your love for Dempsey? Sounds like poppycock to me, whatever that means. It happened. Deal with it.

Yeah, i mean why could Peter be competitive with Dempsey if a similar but technically even more limited fighter in Firpo knocked Dempsey down twice and nearly beat him?