Dempsey would destroy Foreman

But, he is toxic for fighters who made their living coming forward. And, honesltly, I just don't see Dempsey's side-to-side movement being good enough to throw Foreman off....or, really, being all that to begin with. Dempsey can barrell, charge, or glide into range..and he's still going to get hit with something big when that happens.

If Dempsey somehow crossed the world, and forced Foreman to wear himself by coming forward, he might stand a better chance. But, that wasn't his game. And the game he played is one that he just can't win agaibnt Foreman.

 

OK - but that is something else that Janitor's saying.

You think he'll have trouble landing the uppercut, fair enough. I think he won't land it as easily as he did on Frazier, but he'll land it nonetheless.

But my janitor is arguing that Foreman cannot reach Dempsey with the uppercut, which is a different thing and what i was responding to.

What do you mean? A good uppercut starts around hip height or even a bit lower if you load up on it like Foreman did.

A mediocrity but also an underachiever. Dempsey suffered a first round knockout to fireman Flynn at a similar green stage of his career.

Well, because he doesn't swing like he's boxing for the first time like Firpo does. He can actually put combinations together (see the second Toney fight) varying from head to body. He can jab. Anything Firpo does, he does better. That does not mean he will beat Dempsey, but at the same time it would be ignorant to write him off like you seem to do.

Was Dempsey somewhat unlucky to be knocked out of the ring? Yes, although he was backed up into the ropes; it wasn't a coincidence but not a planned thing either.

Was Dempsey unlucky to get knocked down twice by the limited Firpo? Clearly not. I have no idea why you call this a fluke. It happened twice.

 

At least foreman beat Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and Michael Moorer. Who did dempsey beat? Jack sharkey and a bunch of contenders that lost to greb adn tunney?

 

Is this thread tongue-in-cheek?

Could Floyd beat Marciano ?

Floyd was probably better than Dempsey and Foreman hit harder than Marciano.

(The size ratios are about the same).

 

George fought ken Norton at 225

Dempsey fought Jess Willard at 187


Weight difference: 38 lbs

Weight ratio: 225/187 = 1.2




Rocky fought Joe Louis at 184

Mayweather fought Oscar at 151


Weight difference: 33 lbs

Weight ratio: 184/150 = 1.22

 

If you really think floyd could beat Marciano you need to find the nearest doc specialising in mental disorders.

 

Go back and re-read the thread.

In response to the thread title:

This content is protected

,

I wrote:

This content is protected

My point was (perhaps a little far-fetched, but ONLY A LITTLE) that Dempsey could no more Destroy Foreman than Floyd would beat Marciano.

 

I don't agree with you comparison is all. Dempsey has a much better chance of beating Foreman than Floyd does of beating Marciano. For proof, look at the Willard fight.

Where is your proof Foreman hit harder than Marciano?

 

ur comparing foreman to willard?

 

My point was (and I concede the slightly hyperbolic nature of the comparison) that NEITHER outcome was much likely to happen.

I'll concede that Dempsey might have a somewhat better chance with George than Mayweather would have with Rocky.

IMO, the probability of either outcome is close to zero.

If you fell from the 20th floor, you might have a better chance of survival than if you fell from the 50th.

But you're probably dead either way.

IMO, Marciano defeats Mayweather, 99 % sure.

IMO, Foreman defeats Dempsey, 95 % sure.

And that estimate is in accord with your statement:

This content is protected

because it gives Jack FIVE times as much chance as Floyd.

Neither one is going to happen though, and that was my point.

Not that Floyd would beat Marciano.

 

As you'll have noticed, I was extreme in my examples to exaggerate a point, but not that extreme.

(Bernard, Ricardo, Oscar, even Floyd, could all KO the average 200 lb Joe (at least 95 % of them) on the street with one clean flush punch.

For numerous reasons, I don't give Dempsey much chance against big George.

 

Foreman wins vs any swarmer, however i'd give Dempsey a fair chance. But still probably Foreman