Dempsey would destroy Foreman

Anyone bring up Foreman's willingness to bullrush people?

He wouldn't have any issue physically overpowering Dempsey (Something he's quite capable of) and getting him into a corner, negating to some extent Dempsey's ability to bob and weave, which would be what would give Foreman the most problems, and therefore let Dempsey land bombs.

I mean, Foreman as an old man was physically pushing a steroid inflated Morrison among pretty easily.

 

lay off the crackpipe son. i like dempsey - but foreman destroys all three swarmers. dempsey looks great on paper as you describe, he is a different machine than frazier true dat - but as soon as he comes forward to attack granite chinned foreman - the big man gives him beating. and he's not a boxer like ali or holmes to use a plan B (which he does have but isn't good enough for foreman).

 

To what extent was Dempsey a swarmer?

In many ways he functioned more as a boxer puncher type.

I would also dispute that he only had a forward gear. In some of his fights he employed a more subtle aproach circling his oponent. If he uses this aproach instead of rushing Foreman his chances improve.

 

chins don't spirtually become stronger. :rofl not in this day and age. maybe in 20 A.D.

remember the frazier fights? frazier landed some good hooks on old george but he didn't even blink - granite chin. he always had a granite chin and he always had a lion's heart. foreman was not just a bully - he could fight when someone like lyle stood up to him. people make too much about the lyle knockdowns - it isn't easy to REPLICATE. similarly, people love to bring up the firpo knockdown and say dempsey didn't have a granite chin - again, much more difficult to replicate that!

 

that's what i was trying to address - that dempsey was NOT a 1D swarmer without a plan B. he did have a plan B, unlike the other pure swarmers. however, this other style that you describe is far from enough to take on foreman. "chances improve" you say...yeah...they improve from 0 (swarming) to very little. to box foreman - you had to have the style of ali or holmes - which dempsey did not have.

 

Dempsey was probably the better technical puncher than Foreman, but I don't think the difference was enough to produce a win for Jack. Its not like Dempsey would be able to circle Foreman for 10 rounds, and not get tagged. I also don't think that trading at close range with George would be a very good idea either. Dempsey had a good chin, but who did he ever really test it against? Willard is no comparison to Foreman, given that he probably didn't have the delivery capabilities at age 37 and after being off for 3 years. Firpo was a good fighter, but again, not a Foreman. George's destructions of Frazier, Norton and Lyle in his first career, along with his wins over Moorer, and a few others in his comeback were arguably better than any win dempsey ever had. I know that I'm not really providing much of a styles comparison here, but I still can't see Dempsey dominating Foreman. The power and aggression would be like nothing Dempsey ever experienced, and the fact that he never truly faced a good black athlete in the peak of his prime, leaves me with a lot of questions concerning Dempsey.

 

where the heck is gregg t loep?

 

dempsey would have his moments no doubt - but foreman would ultimately win in brutal fashion.

 

let's keep it simple and to the point. even if foreman improved his chin in the second career, that doesn't mean that he didn't already have an awesome chin in his first career. he did. young foreman stood up to frazier's awesome power without blinking - he'd stand up to dempsey's power too.

 

Funny, but I don't recall Frazier landing too many accurate shots in either of his fights with Foreman. Still, I agree that George had a good chin.

 

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we're not talking about 90s foreman here. but you think 90s foreman is relevant to 70s foreman because he "wasn't that much worse in his second career" :rofl 70s foreman would have destroyed morrison under 3 rounds - guaranteed. 70s foreman would not have struggled with alex stuart or shannon briggs. it can also be said that in his second career he never faced a puncher as ill suited for him as ron lyle who feared nobody and maniacally traded and landed repeated bombs with no inhibitions at all. don't compare tommy morrison to ron lyle or jack dempsey. let's stick to the topic and talk about young foreman.

 

he did land some wicked left hooks on foreman. you (and i) were too engrossed in seeing the massive punishment foreman lay on frazier to notice the few and far in between left hooks that frazier landed. even those few and far in between hooks were enough to knockout an average chin - but unfortunately he was up against george foreman. the next time you watch the fight on youtube - ignore foreman (if you can) and just pay attention to what frazier lands and you'll see what i mean.