Dempsey would destroy Foreman

I disagree - in his second career, he improved his balance, stance, guard and bulked up, resulting in a much better punch resistance. That doesn't erase the fact that light hitting Young dropped him, Ali KO'd him and Lyle (a good but not THAT big a puncher - nearly all his big fights went the limit) dropped him twice.

Frazier landed only a few hooks and it's no big secret that Frazier's a slow starter and not a big one-punch guy, but a wear-you-down guy.

 

Everyone always gets off on the wrong foot.

The generic assumptions of Foreman starting as the more powerful man who needs less of a chance than Jack to advance is entirely unsubstantiated.

With every description of Foreman, this scenario is formed more and more of a 'slow-moving death' towards the 'must-fight-smart man'.

Foreman vs. Frazier x his size x Cus D' amato quote = fans downplay Jack's chances.

The most uneducated thing you could ever do is bundle Dempsey in with the other come-forward fighters and assume he can't tangle with Foreman. Dempsey can tangle. Dempsey's left hook could potentially prove more hazardous to George than his 45' combo to Jack's bobbing head.

But whose to say Jack needs to work his way in? Whose to say he has to run a mine field before he can work his 'watered-down' 185lbs magic?

Dempsey had good limbs on him, height, and speed. He did not work in rhythm, but in calculated flashes. Dempsey's bobbing , associated with partial recklessness, was infused with the patience and spacial awareness of a good, stand-up boxer. He could probe, and then destroy.

Because Dempsey ducked, dived, jigged, stood-off and then zipped in, Foreman would be forced onto his toes. Oh yes, this big bad mutha would have to have his radar fitted well otherwise he would pay a big price, and early. Frazier was a solved puzzle from the word go. His style was wrong, he could not adapt and he had no respect for George - Three stances that Jack would not enter the ring with.

Ted Spoon cannot stress enough how a charged-up, fleet-footed, wary and focused Jack Dempsey is in another stratosphere of fighter.

Dempsey loved the bigger men. His style was attracted towards a bigger, war-obligted target. It's not a train of though likely to enter the eastside psyche, but Dempsey may of infact gone right into him and chewed him up. Ploughed into this unapproachable monster and out-gunned him! Yes, indeed.

No prediction, but start calling it like it is. If you do not agree with the above then you need to remove where ever your geographical position of bias resides and sit on the historical fence by equally delving into each's era. Innaccuracies are mainly on Dempsey's part and unsurprisingly so.

 

Sir. You have problably forgotten more about boxing than I'll ever know...
When thinking of this match-up, two scenarios and one word comes to my mind...
Firpo.

When viewing a film of Dempsey/Firpo...I was looking for the principles of punching technique Dempsey had outlined in his book, "Championship Fighting"...I was not disappointed at all...In slow motion, you can see the short,compact destructive blows with Dempsey's entire body weight behind them...These blows actually explode...knocking Firpo off his feet! There is definitely a science to Jack Dempsey...
I can certainly see Dempsey hurting George...
Second scenario also with the Firpo fight...
Luis Firpo reached Dempsey...In the heat of the battle, he tagged Jack very hard. Greb once remarked that he wanted Dempsey,"Because he loses his head in a fight" (Pictorial History of Boxing)...The reasoning is if Firpo could reach Jack, what would George be able to do? One of the most powerful heavyweight champions in history.
Two very different scenarios...one fight.

 

That's probably because the big men he faced were absolutely horrible - to such a degree that they couldn't compete with 180 pounders and even lightheavyweights (half of Dempsey's title opponents were lightheavies).

All one needs to do is watch Firpo on film and see that he's about as skilled as someone who walks in the gym for the first time, thinking he's Mike Tyson. And he should've won against Dempsey by DQ. Willard is another uncoordinated giant who was 37 years old, inactive and out of shape, not to mention his skills.... and then there was Fulton who could hardly go a year without being knocked out despite an enormous size advantage.

 

Dempsey's team were actually negotiating for a willard rematch until the 58-year old Jess was beaten by Firpo. Where the demand for that one came from i'll never know?

 

here we go again...:roll:

 

I was merely pointing out that he loved to take on those big fellas. :good

 

Ray Arcel swore by Dempsey, as the best...Lou Stillman of New York (who problably saw the Cain/Abel match) swore by Dempsey as the best....It is very safe to say those fellows knew their boxing history....

 

Uh huh.

 

I think the beating Dempsey gave Willard, over rates Dempsey to some point. I belive Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano could look like God against THAT Willard. Rember Willard only had 1 fight in 4 years vs Dempsey, and was not in top shape vs Dempsey. Also Jess was 37 years old. So it should be no shock that Dempsey destory Willard in the manner that he did.

 

Thanks for helping to put things in the proper perspective.

 

Swore by Dempsey as what?

 

Oops.

Thanks for helping to put things in the proper perspective.

 

Doesn't really matter, they could feed anything to the public. 99% of the people didn't know who was who in the boxing scene back then anyway. According to a newspaper in 1918, Dempsey was "an unknown fighter" despite having 60-something fights already against a few contenders too.

Carpentier was the million dollar gate, but a guy like Wills who should've made it got the shaft without anyone knowing about it.

 

And that fight made a million more cause of there "War records", than what either fighter did in the ring. Because Capentier was a world war 1 hero, most people felt Capentier had more than a outside chance of beating the draft dodger hobo Dempsey.