Dempsey's greatness.

Well the correct comparison is Carpentier not Gibbons when discussing Conn, Moore and Foster. Carp was lt heavy champion as was conn, Moore and Foster. That being the case Dempseys performance was on par or better than Louis, Marciano or Frazier.

Gibbons was a class above Carp in my estimation.

 

Battling Levinsky was officially light-heavyweight champion too, when Dempsey became the first person to KO him (3 rounds) in 1918.

 

Yes. I consider Moore better than Gibbons.


*Of course, Fleischer had Jack Root over Gibbons.

I wonder if that means Marvin Hart should rate over Dempsey?

 

I would consider Carpentier more like Lesnevich, Mills, or Maxim--guys who were official champions.

Gibbons was better than Carpentier.

The twenties comps for Conn, Moore, and Foster-or Ezzard Charles-were Greb and Tunney--the best light heavies out there.

 

No. There is a long history of lt heavy Champions moving up in weight to fight for the hwt championship. Carpentier was to Dempsey as Conn, Moore and Foster were to Louis, Rocky and Frazier. Foster did terribly as a hwt as an example but was an all time lt hwt.

 

Charles, Tunney nor Greb were never lt heavy champions.

 

Lets look at it another way then.

The only people who lasted the distance against Dempsey in a fight anywhere near world level, scheduled for more than four rounds, were Billy Miske, Tommy Gibbons and Gene Tunney.

The Miske fights were scheduled for 10 and 6 rounds respectivley. The Tunney fights were scheduled for 10 rounds, but we wont read too much into that since Dempsey was more likley to get stopped if they were scheduled for longer.

If you engaged Dempsey in a fight scheduled for more than 6 rounds, you were unlikley to see the end of it.

 

Honestly I forgot what we were talking about but Marciano also had one guy last 15 with him. Anyway I think my point is that Dempsey's destructiveness was not unique (McGovern being another example) merely exceptional; all the guys I mentioned were all time great punchers.

 

McGovern might just have been in a class by himself in this respect.

 

Yep. If anyone deserves a rep as a human whirlwind is terrible Terry. Henry Armstrong eat your heart out.

 

What a crock of utter shite. Carpentier was nowhere in the class of Conn, Moore and Foster.

Jesus, give it break. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

Tommy Loughran thought highly of Georges Carpentier.

Can't understand why Dempsey is catching a load of flak for clearly outpointing Tommy Gibbons over 15 fast-paced rounds. :huh

Oh yeah .... he's Jack Dempsey.

 

And Mike McTigue and Freddie Mills were.

But this is a silly point.

Conn, Moore, and Foster were the best at light heavy

So were Tunney, Greb, and Charles.

Carpentier was not. I would pick Harry Matthews as likely to beat him.

 

"why Dempsey is catching a load of flak for clearly outpointing Tommy Gibbons over 15 fast-paced rounds.

He is not from me. This was an impressive win. It is just not to me quite as impressive as what these later champions did as I don't judge Gibbons quite on the same plane as Conn and Moore.