Dempsey's Hobbo Days

Well Cockell never back Marciano up in that fight. Marciano just pound him for 9 rounds, like a punching bag. Pretty one sided. I have a good part of that fight, and outside of a few movements here or there, the Rock just lay it into Cockell.

 

Agreed. We'll never really know.

All we can do is give credit to boxing historians who keep unearthing newspaper articles etc

Like Jim Jeffries. I think he blatently had more than 20 odd fights.

 

I think Dempsey had well over 100 unrecorded fights, he would travel from town to town to get fights. For money and food and all that. As said before they were not keeping records.

 

Where did Dempsey learn to box from? Who was his first trainer?

 

Was Carpenter English,?? They always seem to ride on Marciano for being dirty. Sure a few punchings miss there mark, but he was no Harry Greb or Zivic in that regard.

 

Tyson, Frazier had a lot of respect for Louis,Marciano and I think Tyson loved Dempsey, Tyson was not a big fan of boxers and he felt he could have walked through Ali

 

Isn't Harry Carpenter still alive? I don't remember hearing anything about him dying. He'd be old now, sure, but I don't think he's dead.

 

Hes 85 or so now,retired in the 90s,i saw him on tv a few months back,looks ancient,but still has his marbles,and knows whats what which is good,i dont mind getting old,just dont want to be mental or anything,and am glad to say harrys not.

 

Watch the Cockell fight,apart from the low blows,he hits him after the bell,and,while he is on the floor."a few punchings miss their mark",it was a bit more than that.

 

That fight with Cockell just happen to be sloppy, and for a style like Rocky's, it would have made him look worse than normal. Marciano was thowing eveything he had, and Cockell was taking it. Marciano was just tossing so many punchings, there were a few fouls like the kideny punch, and the time he hit Cockell when down, But Marciano was thowing so many at that time, he could not stop himself in regards to the down punch. The rabbit punch that drop Cockell, Cockell TURN away from the punch when Marciano thown it and it hit Cockell on the back of the hand. I sure other greats had a fight they look awful. Ali look awful for Wepner, and Ali was a lot more dirty vs Wepner than he Marciano was vs Cockell. And yet no one calls Ali a dirty fighter, they give him a slide for it.

Or how about Jack Dempsey the king of the rabbit punchings?? Or Fullmer, even Pep and Saddler had 2 of the dirty fights of all time. But there names seem to be dead last on the list in regards to dirty fighters. And lets not forget Iron Bit Tyson. Marciano was a level or so below these guys in the dirty tactics.

PS Walcott was still "Up" when Marciano thown that left. So I dont count it.

 

I seen round highlights of that fight, do you have it complete??

 

Given the record keeping of the period, it's quite plausible that people got away with saying whatever they wanted others to believe...