Dempsey's Power

If we discounted for hitting in the balls Marciano would not be counted at all. He was known for foul fighting straight through his title reign. This is well documented.

How can you criticize Willard at 37 ? That's the average age of Rocky's top opponents. I thought you guys would be praising Willard since you have no problem justifying 37 year old Louis, 38 year old Walcott, 42 year light heavyweight old Moore and 33 years plus former middleweight w over 100 bouts Charles? In your eyes I thought Willard would be a young turk !

 

Not for several days you wouldn't

 

I BEG TO DIFFER-IF EITHER HIT YOU, I DOUBT IF WE'D EVER GET YOUR OPINION! Agree with your post, though.

 

Louis, Charles, Walcott were fighting and active and WINNING, Were Jess Willard had 1 fight in the last 4 years.

 

Its not the age Hegrant, its the fact Willard had not recorded a win in FOUR YEARS prior to the Dempsey fight.


Walcott was 38, but had defeated Ezzard Charles twice 4 months prior and 11 months prior.

Louis was 37, but had won 8 fights in a row in the past 2 years including 2 over Top 10 rated opponents

Charles was 32, but had just knocked out two top 10 rated opponents in the past 8 months prior to fighting rocky.

Moore was 38, but was 45-1 in his last 46 fights over the past 4 years including a title eliminator over 6'3 215lb Nino Valdez. Jess Willards record in the prior 4 years of fighting Dempsey? 0-0 LMAO its not even comparable


Jess Willard was 37, and had not recorded one single win in almost FOUR years prior to fighting jack dempsey. YIKKKKES!

 

hegrant,

no matter what you say the dempsey-sharkey bout will ALWAYS be filled with controversy. it was NOT a clean knockout punch, it was marred with a Golota combo to the balls.. Sharkey could be seen on the ground wincing in pain holding his balls because of the low blow. Rocky never had a tainted knockout like this.

 

Archie Moore would have ****ed up Jess Willard.

 

Pretty badly too. I doubt Willard would see the bell and even if he did, would he even have won a round?

 

I think he would last a while actually, because Moore (1955) wouldn't have gone out with all guns blazing and Willard (1919) was pretty tough, too. I reckon they'd be feeling each other out for a couple of rounds, in the third and fourth Moore would commence his plan of action, and Willard would take a gradual beating for the next few rounds. Around the ninth or tenth Willard would be opened up and Moore would beat on him for an entire round or two and the fight would be stopped, Moore having won 8-1 on the cards or something similar.

 

I could defintley see that. I fully expect this fight to go into the latter rounds...but Archie does have the finishing skills, pinpoint accuracy, power and style to stop the very tough Willard late. Especially if he marks up Willards face to the point where Jess decides to sit on his stool. I think Willard would spend the majority of the fight getting beaten to the punch and pummeled in close, while he tries to tie up moore. On the outside, I can see Willard jab being shoulder rolled by moore followed by blistering counterpunches to willards face.


how do you see Moore vs Firpo going?

 

Moore-Firpo - Firpo would probably impose himself on Moore in the beginning rounds, maybe even knocking him down. A bit like what Durelle did, except Moore was a little older then, and Durelle was more accurate than Firpo with his punches (which says a lot, because Durelle was inaccurate). Firpo was fairly big, but he wasn't good; just strong. Moore would dispatch him in about eight rounds I would think, or maybe opt for a lop-sided decision win, depending on how dangerous Firpo seemed on the night.

 

I think Jess Willard might well have beaten Archie Moore.

Moore beat a few good big men but none who were quite as strong and durable as Jess Willard was.
Willard had a lot of power in his right hand, and a good uppercut. He was a monstrous individual. He knocked out Jack Johnson, so I'd give him a chance of KOing Moore.

 

The 1919 37 year old Willard coming off a 4 year layoff?

Maybe so, but he certainly beat a few big men who were alot more skilled than willard. I would also question willard's durability...the only two punchers he ever fought(Dempsey and Firpo)...knocked him out. No doubt Willard was tough, but he defintley was not impossible to stop.

Looks like you are confused. We are talking the version of Willard Dempsey fought vs Archie Moore. Big Difference. Also I don't see what Willard getting badly outbox then outlasting a fat old faded champion in johnson has anything to do with a scheduled 15 round fantasy fight vs moore? If the johnson-Willard fight had been set for 15-20 rounds, Johnson wins easily.

 

Suzie has just come to take over this thread. Said just about everything I wanted to say. Can't believe the Sharkey knockout was even mentioned as being a real testament to Dempsey's power. Knowing the controversy, it's a very Bowe-Golata seeming knockdown as Suzie mentions.

The only thing I disagree with in Suzie is that Marciano had a style change from 54 to 54-55. Nothing magically ever happened like that. It was a just slow and slight change from the post Walcott fights. That changed mostly showed up for the Charles fight. Rocky only fought Cockell and Moore in 55. One of which was dead game practically when it started, and the other who was just a tad bit older so his reflects weren't top notch. Rocky seemed to know to turn it up on Moore because he wouldn't be able to handle his constant assault. It became overwhelming.

 

Well...to start off with, for the KO% records to be compared fairly, Marciano would have to begin his pro career at the age of 19, instead of 23. Then, he would have to live Dempsey's life and face Dempsey's exact opponents under exactly the same conditions when Dempsey faced them...# of rounds scheduled, riding the rails, lack of training opportunities, lay offs, etc. No, I do not believe Marciano's KO% would have been as high as it was under those circumstances. Even without the neutral corner rule, following in Dempsey's footsteps, I think Rocky's KO% would have been much lower than 88%.

I won't argue with you about your belief that Rocky hit with noticeably more power. It's a sensible opinion. I just don't agree with you. I think the two men were very close in that regard, and, when comparing raw punching power and nothing else, I give the slight edge to Dempsey.

But, with that said, prime against prime, I think Rocky would have won over Dempsey, more times than not, head to head.

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