Dempsey's Power

I can't argue with that. It's truly amazing what other people will use to prop up another fighter only in effort to discredit another one. Otherwise, why else use that example as a legit showing of Dempsey's power? You don't, you can't... which begs the question. How many 1 punch KO's did Dempsey actually have? Few to none I'd bet. All becomes a whole lot clearer. Awesome puncher, but not on Marciano's level in terms of pure power. Not in my book. And poor Sharkey, that's got to be one of the worst ways a fighter can lose.

 

Funny but he sure looks like he went down fron the chin shot to me. If you watch the Dempsey/Sharkey fight in it's entirity, Dempsey was coming on and giving Sharkey a nasty body beating. It was not the one sided battering many make it. No doubt Sharkey was ahead but he was in a fight and he knew it. No doubt Dempsey was nasty in there but so was Rocky. He was know for hitting low, hitting on the break, hitting after the bell. Watch the Cockell fight.

Prince, maybe if you took the time to read my many passages on Marciano you would comprehend I have constantly praised him as a great fighter. To say I discredit him by focusing on selective passages only demonstrates poor reading comprehension and the inability to follow threads.

When trying to total Dempsey's KO's you leave out one thing and that is there are vey few Dempsey bouts on film. For you to make a statement about how many he may or may not have is silly like much of what you write. The evidence is inconclusive. It is entertaining though.

 

dempsey is always underestimated,nothing new

 

He Grant. Don't respond to me if you're going to jump on the attack with me. I'm well aware of your somewhat selective praise for Marciano. But when other ATG fighters and heavyweights come into the picture that praise is quite limited. It's quite clear by your messages that it is YOU who has decided to not read my post. If you're going to respond to me like this then don't bother continuing to do so because I will just ignore.

Dempsey has terrific powerr. There's limited film, but what we have seen I think anybody with an eye of sense, reasoning, and intelligence to analyze can see Marciano hits a bit harder. When adding the fact that we can read a lot more on Dempsey to see his career on a whole while examining his record it's very safe and fair to make this case. The only thing entertaining is suggesting how making any sort of conclusion on the subject is silly since little film is on Dempsey when you have done JUST that in making a case he's superior to Marciano in power. The irony, and backpedaling is indeed highly humorous. Silly to make one statment, but not a case against another. Are you even aware of what you write?

I've only the seen Sharkey fight on highlights. Suggesting that the Dempsey KO is not dubious is quite hilarious. Suggesting that the blow knocked Sharker down and out is even more hilarious. Seriously, watch him in agony but clearly concious. He's reacting to the repeated ball shots by Dempsey and is on the ground squirming helplessly from that. It comes out as a rather spasdic one punch KO if the punch had no effect. Of course I might defend this ridicliousness if I had tried making a point of Dempsey's 1 punch power by showing it. Maybe you can't relate to that sort of pain or reaction. Can't help you there I guesss :rofl.

 

Prince, practice what you preach. Don't attack or offend and you will be treated the same. Read how many offensive remarks you make in the above passage.

It is obvious you are a high strung kid with limited knowledge to boot. On one hand it's fun to push your buttons because your so predictable but in fairness it is going to get boring to the other posters. Try writing your points like an adult. Articulate your positions without insults or offense if you are capable of it. The we will debate the sport .

 

Valid Points , but a trifle ironic,given that Sharkey was notorious for punching below the belt himself
In fact he was responsible for the" no foul rule" being introduced.:good

 

Not a vaild point since there are very few Dempsey bouts on film. How do we know he didn't have a dozen KO's like Rocky's over Layne that were not filmed? We don't, so the argument is flawed. So are statements like " anyone can see Marciano hits harder" . Equally silly because such observations are subjective to interpretation not definative. Very adolesent attempts at trying to make a point.

 

I come to argue in a fair and civil manner. I don't get negative and try slandering or attacking with posts about the others posters knowledge and other snide remarks when I can't argue my position. You did not. You're just one step closer to being put on my ignore. If you keep up these pointless diversions or attack type posts I will put you on my ignore list. You're not pushing my buttons, you're just not worth the bickering.

The only thing "silly" is how you jumped into this undecided category after arguing that Dempsey hit harder. You argued by bringing up the low blow KO from Sharkey. Now you're in the retreat backpedaling the fact that any statements of "Marciano hits harder" is a silly observation. HOWEVER, the other statement being made isn't? Try to be consistent, rather than try diverting of course and criticizing the person who's arguing rather than their point. Don't call arguments flawed when you've held into a position that by your logic is equally as flawed. If you're going to try hiding in the "Not enough film" 7 pages into a thread. Then I guess I'll say well we don't know if Tyson or Foreman hit harder than Dempsey, Jeffries, or Johnson because there's not enough actual film of them to know. Let's just ignore what we've seen in the meantime, assuming they have plenty one punch KO's and ignore their records or reports. Only statement would be flawed and a silly observation to make. :nut

This is the last time I'm responding to you in this thread. You can continue to respond but it might be pointless. Continue to divert discussions about age, knowledge, or criticism about me as a poster rather than my actual point that you can't argue (Only change positions against) then I will just end up putting you on my ignore list. Take care...

 

Thats two of us on your **** list then .
I'm mortified.

 

Outside of one bout, Dempsey's entire title rein is on film to judge though. 8 fights, the Rock only got like what? His six title fights, his title win, and a few pre title fights.

About 11 fights for the Rock, which in the long run is not a Lot that parts the 2 film wise.

Louis out does both with about 30 fights to himself.

If you want the film arguement, than Rocky should get that film arguement also imo.

We supposely saw Dempsey at his best vs Willard, But no one punch ko, a lot of knockdowns, and Dempsey even standed over Jess, but no one punch ko.

I suppsoe his fight with Bill would sort of count as a one punch ko, but Bill was hurt with body punchings, follow by the over hand right. Not the shocking factor of Walcott.

The fight with George was Dempsey's best body work, but I felt Dempsey carry him a little. It was a right hand and uppercut that got the ko.

Firpo was the left right that got the ko, with a lot of brawling and mugging. Lets not forget that Firpo drop Dempsey and than knock him out of the ring.

Sharkey's been cover, shot to the balls follow by the hook.

Gibbions, and Tunney went the distand, 2 loses and 1 win. But again, no real signs of one punch power. He hits hard, but the footage most often shows them getting up time and again, and getting beating down.

Marciano at least has the Layne and Walcott bouts on film, but he does have many early and pre contendership one punch kos. Now these happen not against the best, but still he show he can still ko a top contender with one will time blow as he show Layne.

 

Gotta agree with he grant. I saw the Dempsey-Sharkey youtubes before they were yanked. Sharkey won a lot of the battles, but Dempsey was dictating the war. Sharkey may well have been ahead (anyone know the cards?), but Dempsey was drawing interest on his body work and Sharkey wasn't looking too good in the last couple rounds.

Here's the old thread on those youtubes:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126110

 

Princess, also a last word freak? You write one thing and say another. Maybe one day when you stop bleeding we can continue. Till then remain a lightweight. Keep saying you'll ignore me and keep attacking and responding ... like the child you are. Bye Princess. Till the next time.

McVey: Did not mean to insult you. My argument is that there is no clear cut definative answer over who hits harder based on the film .. to say Rocky hits harder baesd on more filmed one punch KO's in an incomplete argument

Dempsey : Right Willard, Brennan, Carpentier, Gibbons, Firpo, Tunney, Sharkey and Tunney are on film. That's it ... eight out of eight two recorded bouts. My point is if we had many of his pre-title bouts filmed such as Flynn, Smith, Morris, Brennan 1, Fulton we might see exceptional punching ko's that will alter perspectives. Some of us are tyring to make conclusive, definative statements on inconclusive data. That's all .

Guilalah: Typical of that poster. Big mouth, small knowledge. By his own admittance he never even watched the whole fight, just highlights, but writes passionately as if he knows something. Anyone who watched the fight would know as the rounds progressed it became a very competitive fight as Dempsey's swarming body attack was getting to Sharkey and weakening him. That's what's great about boards. The history of who wrote what is memoralized so that the load mouths and lightweights cannot lie with any effect.

 

On the flipside....Alot of Rockys supposed devastating knockouts pre title days are not on film. Imagine if we got to see his knockouts over Bernie Reynolds, Gino Bounvino, Johnny Skhor, Fred Beshore....All according to reports "Devastating" knockouts. The Reynolds knockout was reported a "ONE PUNCH" knockout where renyolds whole body was lifted into the air by one Suzy Q right hand.

So we could say the same for both fighters

 

Seen all 7 rounds, myself. I thought the copywrite date would be gone by now, shock it got pull.

I do have the fight, It was not the one sided beating people claim it was, Sharkey stagger Dempsey in round 1, Than Dempsey starts finded his grove around around 4 or 5, But regardless if of who was ahead,

The knockout STILL came from a shot from the balls to the chin.

Kinda of like Duran Buc so to speak. I am not saying Dempsey cant hit, I just feel Rocky had better power is all. The Willard and Firpo fights shows how hard Jack can hit. Were the Sharkey fight was some what close, with Dempsey getting the better in the later round. But that does not change the balls to hook ko imo.

 

We do have more, and better, film of Rocky, though.