Dempsey's Stepping Straight Jolt?

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  1. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In his boxing manual, Jack gives quite a few chapters on this stepping straight jolt, saying it is important to have a pure punch. There are quite a few principles needed to make this punch effective, Dempsey himself says the step seems very awkward at first. It is only effective with power. Seeing as it is a fairly complicated punch, does anyone know of a film of Dempsey (or anyone else) using this punch clearly, just to get a clearer look on how it should be delivered?

    I think I've seen Sam Langford do it, watch from 0:40:


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUdoGBkeqWQ[/ame]

    Is that it?

    Basically I just want to get a clearer idea on how this punch looks and how effective it is. Dempsey's manual is very good IMO, when he talks about shovel hooks and uppercuts and even defence but he puts a lot of emphasis on this one punch; I'd like to see it in action.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    I think it's basically a power jab. (Yes, like in the Langford clip)

    Dempsey's didn't like the word "jab". (He didn't like point-scoring or defensive jabs)
    A jolt is harder. :D

    3:47

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCcMZZoVMY[/ame]
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    I think Dempsey's said Gans' foot could be heard slapping the canvas when he missed the jab. When the jab landed most of that force would be directed through the fist.
     
  4. bman100

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    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, great punch. note - if you cant step, which might be due to lack of room or a tactical decision (opponent may be setting you up for a counter) then you must just use whats called 'waist twist'.

    jack says more force is transfered through a vertical fist, landing with last 3 knuckles. most gyms dont agree with this howver i think this is true after years of practise.
     
  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    He talks about this punch and its importance in a street fight because you need to land from long range and need to land the knockout punch in a street fight, which he considers the only thing to matter in such a circumstance.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, you can't win a street fight on points.
     
  8. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    falling step bruce lee used principal for his one inch punch.
     
  9. Surf-Bat

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    Is this book easy to find? Or is it one of those expensive things you have to search hard for? Sounds like a good one.
     
  10. reznick

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    The falling step, the way I've analyzed and used it, is when your weight is already on your front foot, and you step forward keeping the weight on the same foot. and all the power goes to the end of your fist, and you can follow the step with a jab or a straight. Just like I learned in the same Dempsey book.


    The Langford example is definitely invalid, because you can see that he is using the strength of his back foot the entire time of that movement. He brings his lead foot in, and he spring forward with the power from his back foot, no falling step.


    Same with the Dempsey example. He is hopping forward with the jab the way someone like Ali would jab on their toes. Uses power of back foot again, no falling step.





    A falling step would be more discreet and harder to spot than those two examples. You would have to look for an instance where the weight is already on the front foot, and then seeing that same front foot take another step forward prompting a jab or straight to follow.


    When I knew nothing about the actual practice of boxing, I would go into sparring matches like a lame duck getting picked off with punches. But I was always able to land that occasional power jab using the falling step. It was the first 'move' I had practiced and learned through shadow boxing, and it was my savior in my early days of learning to box.
     
  11. Surf-Bat

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    Thanks Ecto :good
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    If you just want to read it, just google "Dempsey's Championship Fighting" and you should get links to the material, or a pdf download version.

    :good

    I have it somewhere on my hard drive.
     
  13. bman100

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    I think its quite easily available and yes its great, certainly shows a different side to Jack than the typical brawling type label that Demspey has been given.
     
  14. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is a good punch but as someone already said it can be easily countered, have you found a film with this technique? If the Lnagford fight is not it, then where would the punch be shown? maybe its in the willard fight?
     
  15. groove

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    the falling step is what it is. the punch connects as the foot lands. you fall/drop into it.