Denis Lebedev vs. Youri Kalenga RBR

We simply disagree on your first paragraph. I was here a few years before you so you actually can't at all say you know how he was talked up on this forum. Perhaps if you were here then, you might agree with my assessment relative to the hype he had.

You say, "How was that a poor display or "exposing" like you claim?" My response to that is, I never called it a poor display nor did I use the word "expose." So you are just filling in blanks with what you want me to say so that you can be bitter toward me. I won't take that bait.

Your 3rd paragraph is the sole reason why my post says what it says. And in my opinion, you prove it further and further correct.

Lebedev "more all around skilled than Danny Garcia?" The guy who smashed in Lucas Matthysse? Sorry. We just see Lebedev completely differently. What again are his shining moments in the ring? Because you make it sound like he beat a boat load of top 10 Cruiserweights. Please, list them!

 

I'm sorry. I've seen most of Lebedev's whole career minus the beginning cupcake fights.

Enlighten me which opponents in which fights did he display this great diverse skill set in?

 

You either didn't follow Cruiserweight yourself or have very, very low standards of what makes up a top class match-up. The best fights in the division went stale and expired before they happened. Or are currently years into their "getting stale" process... and still haven't happened.

Just look at how few match ups there were involving top 5-10 Cruisers fighting fellow top 5-10 Cruisers. Many of the best fighters have wasted the last few years highly inactive or fighting fruity matches with 40 year olds.

 

That's just stupid. A brute doesn't move around the ring the way Lebedev does, not at all. Lebedev was using lateral movement the entire fight - how is he a brute? Your understanding of styles is garbage, but we knew that already - that's why you always pick the guy with the better "resume" regardless of styles. And weren't you one of the people talking up Diablo on here? It was ridiculous then and looks even more ridiculous now.

 

I don't ever see him adjusting in his fights.

 

But you are talking up Lebedev of all people when saying that someone who talked up Diablo was ridiculous?

lolz for days, my friend. When all is said and done, Diablo will have had the better career with plenty to spare.

I said Lebedev is a "brute" because I never see him making adjustments mid fight. Not as though he is in tough fights very often. Because he usually doesn't fight tough fighters. All this RELATIVE TO his hype and the inability to deliver on it over the years (I've made that point apparent all along).

 

To be fair the guy has been in with-
Castillo, Maccarinell, Alekseev, Huck, G. Jones and Kalenga

All of whom are DECENT fighters even if none are going to be regarded as modern day greats

 

Lebedev is an unusual combination of puncher-mover at CW. What has he had to adjust to? Most of the time, his opponent is having to adjust to what he's doing. The only time he's ever been in serious trouble is the Guillermo Jones fight and that was due to a freak injury that was mishandled.

 

He left it open all day. He couldn't bring his freakin' glove up. He didn't measure and keep a good range to keep Jones away. He didn't show any IQ in where he was moving his feet in that fight to keep Jones at the angles he should have kept him at. He couldn't hold... He didn't have the skill set or IQ to properly defend that freak injury is my point. AKA "a brute."

You can be a fan, but you don't have to pretend like my opinions or arguments on the issue are completely invalid just because you're a fan.

 

Couple decent fighters for sure.

Huck is a modern day great AS FAR AS THE DIVISION ITSELF GOES. So I give him all the credit in the world for being one of four or so fighters to have ever arguably beaten Huck. The hype he's gotten since then is unreal and unwarranted to me and I've been saying that since right after the Huck fight on this site. My opinion hasn't changed.

His whole career beyond Huck, G. Jones, and a couple of decent fringe contenders is nothing but true cupcake fights.

And wake me up when he picks up a GOOD, not decent, victory.

(my snarky tone is not directed at you by any means, Boxing Prospect, but at the fools who got all emotionally hurt at the casual assertion I made)

 

So Diablo is a brute too then? He got beat up and completely undressed in his last fight. And there was no freak injury involved. As for Lebedev, he was trying to win the fight, not just go the distance. As the shorter, smaller man against Jones, he had to attack. Otherwise, Jones would just jab his way to an easy victory.

 

I didn't say "crude." I said "a brute." Which, to me in this context, implies a physically strong person (puncher, chin) with limited IQ (in ring IQ, nothing personal).

 

Diablo is well past his best years. He was not a brute by my definition for any stretch of his career and his zombie-like fight execution in the Danny Green (prior to last two rounds) and first Palacios fight show more his deterioration of skills and inability to pull the trigger that all aging and fading fighters show, as they were in contrast to his usual efforts.

In the fight you are citing Diablo fought Drozd, who would easily be at worst the second best fighter Lebedev has ever faced. Sooooo, yeah. Not sure how to respond.

There have been plenty of shorter fighters who have beaten bigger fighters without relentlessly attacking so your last three sentences only further show that he is a brute-like fighter if you are citing his game plan as the only way for him to win... which you just did.