Denis Lebedev vs. Youri Kalenga RBR

Lebedev probably would have stopped Diable both in his last fight and in the Chakhkiev fight. Chakhkiev actually fought like a "brute" with no stamina and he still nearly got him out of there. Diablo himself couldn't believe he won, that's why he was kissing and hugging on Chakhkiev like a b!tch after the fight.

No, there haven't, not at that weight, especially not against a guy with an iron chin like Jones. It's quite uncommon and limited mostly to freakish athletes with a lot of skill like Pernell Whitaker and SRL. What part of this do you not understand? Lebedev understood from early on that, if he didn't go for it, he would either be stopped at some point due to the injury or just survive the distance to lose on points - so he decided to go for it. Since you claim that "there have been plenty of shorter fighters who..." - go ahead and name some then, preferably at CW or HW. You want to paint yourself into a corner, go ahead.

 

It's pretty illogical to classify a fighter as a "brute" purely based off of one performance and one attribute.

A brute is someone who lacks basic boxing fundamental technique and skills but may overcome it with toughness, ruggedness and punching power.

Lebedev definitely does not lack in that. Maybe he didn't fight the most intelligent fight against Jones but that doesn't make him a brute.

(And as far as I remember, I have very faint memory of the fight, Lebedev wasn't boxing in that fight too badly either, certainly not to a level of a brute)

 

Well, we all have varying ideas of what the term "brute" means in the boxing world. No perfect all-encompassing definition... I stand by all of what I've said in this thread. Surprised it took off to any degree. Must have ruffled some feathers wrong. However, in each response, I only see people getting upset at "hmm, woah, he called him a brute!" as opposed to any response or dialogue regarding any of my several posts since the original one of conversation. So I guess I'll just take that as a general agreement or at least acceptance of my explanation, at least.

 

Nonito Smoaking Crack is bigoted against all Slavic fighters. Ask him about the all Asian fight club he was once in and of course won, priceless!!!

 

1. I'm not going to respond in much detail to that first paragraph. You are clearly butthurt to the maximum and just trying to annoy me by insulting a fighter I have previously supported. Chakhkiev, yeah, that Chakhkiev, would be Huck's best ever victory!!!! How about that???!?

2. You say he made the decision to go for the stoppage win as opposed to surviving to a scorecard defeat. That directly contradicts what you said earlier about him controlling most of the fight and when you claimed he was up 6-3 or 7-3 prior to the stoppage, now doesn't it?

I asked you to respond to my question earlier to name all of Lebedev's best victories and the fights where he showed the most diversity in his fighting skills. You never did. So I will wait for you to answer me first before responding to your question asking me to name fights where a smaller fighter beat a bigger one without committing to a come forward offensive assault. That would not be difficult to do. Just like you implied it wouldn't be difficult to name me the above asked examples for Lebedev's career!

 

Wooo, we got a stalker! Happy to have you obsess over me, son. I've never masked who I was. Always been honest and never contradicted myself on a personal level (I never claimed to be something I wasn't or done something I haven't... because all of you guys are so 100% with your "boxing stories" in those threads, right? Right? No?).

 

I have a framed autographed 8 X 10 photo of Wladimir Klitschko.

"is bigoted against all Slavic fighters."

You know me?

 

Yellow - I have been here since 2008 or 2009 but my original account was permabanned by some anonymous mod with no reason given to me or the other mods. I just added a Y to Vysotsky for my new account, so yes i do know what was said about him.

Purple/pinkish? - You called him a brute, aka devoid of skill, then said 'how did people still not realize this after the G.Jones fight'. How ever you want to classify it you clearly implied that fight was an indication of his lack of skill aka exposed him as a skilless brute.

Red - Well Lebedev did got robbed against Huck and one could certainly claim that would rate as a better win since he's accomplished more in his career than Lucas (sort of like you are with Danny) I wouldn't go that far, Huck has done more but i think Lucas is a better fighter with the wins being similar quality.

Most importantly Garcia has been given every oppertunity by Haymon and is being built as one of his stars while fighting in the weight range where he has the most talent under his thumb. Lebedev on the other hand has been avoided during most of his prime years.

Garcia has a better resume but when assessing their skills i do think Lebedev possesses more and is a more complete fighter.

-Do you think Garcia has a wider array of punches in his ar.senal? Better technique?

-Does he know how to set up his offense and create opening for himself or does he rely heavily on just waiting for opponents to come to him so he can try timing them walking in or countering?

- Going along with that can he lead and fight effectively on the front foot too?

- Is he lighter on his feet, use lateral movement, pivots, work angles, turn opponents as well as Denis? No actually thats one of Danny's biggest flaws, in part why he lost to Herrera and why many think the likes of Postol and Algeri could conceivably beat him.

P.S. i do think Danny is a good fighter but he is one of those boxers who is effective in spite of having a limited scope of skills. Klychko would be another example (although he does possess more skill and is capable of more than he shows) he chooses to limit his ar.senal and has refined it to such an extent that opponents can't stop him from imposing his gameplan and best weapons on them. Monzon would be another, definitely more skilled than Danny but compared to other ATG MW's he appears quite basic. That didn't prevent him from imposing what he did best onto his opponents though.

 

who has lewis advice/training ever actually helped?

 

See David Price :rofl