Dennis Hogan The Rightful Champ, Victim Of Another Golden Boy Special, Badly Robbed Against Munguia.

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  1. The Professor

    The Professor Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly. The commentators were VERY biased against Munguia for some reason, and that seems to have impacted a lot of people's opinion. A 115-113 Hogan victory, I could certainly see. Some of the scores that have been posted on this site? No ****ing way.

    This was a CLOSE fight that could have gone to EITHER man, or reasonably been scored a draw as you did. Mora and that other biased clown bashing Munguia throughout has poisoned the perceptions of this match
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Staff Member

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    I watched the Mexican broadcast. I didn't understand a word the commentators were saying (I am semi-fluent in Spanish but intelligibility flies out the window for me when spoken at those speeds)
     
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  3. The Professor

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    Maybe not you, but some of these others might have been. Regardless, I still don't get some of these wide scores. Munguia won 5 rounds minimum. He was exceptionally strong in the middle rounds and clearly won several of these. I thought he won the last two and at least one or two of the early rounds. Some of these are quite close, but I think you have to be bending over backwards to give Hogan all of them.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 Quod Aeterna Brutalis Staff Member

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    Teddy Atlas' commentary (which is far more persuasive than the guys on DAZN) had zero impact on me while scoring the Horn-Pacquiao match. Their weak gripes didn't either. I'm getting a little annoyed with this whole "they're being misled trope". Which implies naivete or lack of intelligence. No one is capable of misleading me, my level of cynicism and distrust of the official story at times would make Diogenes blush.:deal: Have you ever thought that maybe the reason why I don't buy what the Left are selling anymore is because I'm incapable of being misled? I don't buy what the right are selling either, I make up my own mind, but what they're saying is more in line with reality at this point than the rest of the narratives being pushed. All the Russian truthers sure are looking like a bunch of dunces right about now aren't they?
     
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  5. The Professor

    The Professor Moderator Staff Member

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    You think the Russians had something to do with this one? :lol:

    Look from where I sit I am just trying to wrap my head around how the hell a fight that I watched last night and seemed like a really close fight all of a sudden becomes an outrageous "robbery." It didn't seem remotely controversial, other than the slightly wide card for Munguia. The draw and the judge that agreed with my score, of course, seemed very much within the realm of what I saw on the screen. So would 115-113 Hogan. More than that either way? I just don't see it.

    And I do think, in general, that boxing fans overreact to decisions they don't agree with - particularly when they think the underdog was, in their view, cheated. But boxing scoring is inherently subjective, and so there will always be disagreements, particularly when the rounds are close, as was the case with many of the rounds in this fight.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Staff Member

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    Again, it boils down to most of us thinking Hogan won seven rock-solid, no-budge-on-'em rounds - of which you gave Mung two..

     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 Quod Aeterna Brutalis Staff Member

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    I've never thought the Russians had anything to do with anything.:deal:

    ...well, maybe they spied a little and bought a few ads on Facebook.:scared1


    What @IntentionalButt said. I have no idea how anyone could score the first or eleventh rounds for Munguia. Go back and check those two out again.

    Also I'm not overreacting. Hogan didn't just beat Munguia, he took him to school and embarrassed him, I thought it was close to being that one sided. Most of Munguia's shots were being caught on the back or shoulders of Hogan, or he was slipping them entirely and Munguia was hitting air. Whereas almost anything Hogan threw were landed flush. The fight was a lot of ineffective aggression, looking lost and missed shots from Munguia, and Hogan boxing his ears off.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Staff Member

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    I first discovered the Hurricane almost six years ago now, two months & three days before @CST80's join date...

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    What a journey it's been. Considering the ceiling I prognosticated for him back then and some of the pitfalls since (including having to rebuild from the Culcay setback) you have to admire his grit. The kid has just kept plugging away ...boxing seventeen more times since Prunty, averaging over three fights a year and nine grueling rounds per night (160 complete rounds in the last six years...compare with Munguía's 128, averaging three a night in the same time span) ... and despite not being naturally blessed with KO power, has flurried his way into contention and ought to be celebrating a world title victory and buying nice things for his family today. :ohno
     
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  9. ray fritz

    ray fritz Member Full Member

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    HOGAN WAS ROBBED. Another DeLaHoya job. I had Culcay winning too. Look at the other bguys face
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Staff Member

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    Yep, at least Jaime had the decency to look ashamed.
     
  11. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The sad part is we all know Fishnets & GBP are crooked. We all know this was another GBP ROBBERY. Same way in Vegas with the NSAC backing them BUT There is absolutely NOTHING we can do about it. There is no one supervising the sport $$$$$$$$$$$ rules & thats the bottom line. The sport I love is being ruined
     
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  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Well that was fun. Who's for Chinese? Full Member

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    No it couldn't. I'm so sick of this outrageous lie that people like you peddle whenever a decision like this is rendered.

    You show me the fighters and if one of them has the backing then I can tell you that's the guy that is going to win if the fight is at all 'close'.

    Hogan had no chance of getting the decision in this fight so don't come here with that it 'could of gone either way' BS when it was clearly only ever going to be scored one way.
     
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  13. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup
    Events like this make me watch way less fights now.
     
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  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Feds need to go after Golden Shower Productions, stat!
     
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  15. Deew

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    Lol, three close rounds OP scored for the Irishman could easily have been seen for the Mexican.

    No robbery.

    He won't get a rematch in Aus either, what the hell are you guys smoking.
     
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