Dennis mccann

one Ali’s greatest regrets was that being a heavyweight champ and boxing legend impacted on his deadlift and bench numbers. Can’t have it all I suppose

 

If some low level boxer takes for the first time only 1 D-Bol tablet with his breakfast before the gym later that day he’s going to have about 5 % more power and stamina for that session. For a price of about £1 a tab. Like I say. You’d have to be a complete mug not to be doing that. Especially at that level.

 

So all your really saying is that your happy to be a cheating bastd and your painting everyone else with the same brush.
I can tell by your posts that you've never actually been around boxers, and that's fair enough. This is a forum not the bbbc but your reasoning and experience with pro boxers is well off mate.

 

What are the compounding effects of PEDs over time?

Say you have two boxers who have just turned over, are of similar ability, size, and age; one takes the PEDs, and the other doesn't, yet they put the same time in at the gym.

Percentage-wise and I know the gains will not be linear across the board, but say after 3-5 years, how much, further along, could the one on PEDs potentially be from the one that isn't?

I recall once reading Ben Johnson over a five-year period, doubled the weight he could bench press, from 81kg to 165.5kg: he only weighed 72.5kg. No wonder he was able to upend Lennox Lewis when they had an altercation at the Olympics.

 

Over 3 to 5 years the difference would be enormous. The usual 'bro beginner cycle’ level of 500ml of test a week would see the fighter on gear have about 6 times the amount of test in his system than the drug free fella. That means dramatically faster recovery times, far more training sessions, a massive edge with stamina before the added strength and power is taken into it. And that’s with a low dose among serious professionals. Even at that he’s going to yield about 5 times the results of a high level non geared up fighter.

 

What happened between Lennox and Ben Johnson?

 

The guy not on the gear simply has no chance in the long term, and after 5 years he will be like a snowflake caught in an avalanche, which somewhat reminds of Sunny Edwards against Yafai.

If there was one guy not on the gear in the UK for me, it would be him. I could be wrong, but the way he took damage in his last two fights and talked about all the injuries and recovery time in camp, etc.

At least he talked his way into big fights and made his money; he always had the FU mindset, but he is an outlier rather than the standard, at least outside of the heavyweights.

Makes sense why they do it with such a short career window; compounding, though, is the same in any arena. as Buffet said, "Life is like a snowball; all you need is wet snow and a really long hill." No wonder the guy spends 80 % of his working day reading and thinking; imagine compounding knowledge at that rate. After a certain point, he becomes uncatchable.

Reminds me somewhat of the way Manny Pacquiao moved the divisions at his peak, circa 2006-2010, to the point he almost looked unbeatable, no matter the opposition.

 

The best gear takers these days in sport are the ones with the dodgey doctor’s note to cover themselves 10000% even against drug tests. Dillian Whyte once alluded to this banging on about how he seen Joshua’s medical records and he basically has an exemption to take nearly everything. Likewise Shannon Briggs etc banging on about how he’s the greatest ‘asthmatic’ fighter of all time. No you’re not. You just want the exemption note so you’re covered for ‘roids through an inhaler. Similar to the British running team where the vast majority of these Olympic athletes are all ‘asthmatic’. Klopp’s Liverpool strongly suspected of the same. Sure look at the greatest footballer of all time, Messi. Never really been injured his whole career despite his style inviting more fouls than any other player and lo and behold we find out he had a Spanish Doctor note to take Growth hormones as a teenager. And that’s just what we officially know what he’s allowed to take. **** knows what he’s been on the last 15 years.

 

Like how half the Cycling Peleton all have asthma

 

So you are stating that the fighting Pride of Humble City, Mr Anthony Joshua, Olympic Gold Medalist, MBE and 2 times World Champion is on the gear?

Cannot see it myself given what we have seen in the ring.

Mr Roid should be wiping out Mr Burger.

 

The cheating is clearly an open secret within the sport that is enabled by the powers that be; I remember Donald McRae wrote an exposé on it a few years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/b...and-the-poison-at-the-heart-of-british-boxing

He really is one of the few journalists in the game with any real integrity; most of the social media and YouTube guys are so focused on the externals, such as views and viewer counts, that they become so lost in status games that they almost always give themselves away.

They are also lazy-ass mother****ers in the main, with no real understanding; at best, it's chauffeur knowledge. Almost like they all went to the same GaryVee school of marketing and influence, whereby if you ask them anything beyond the superficial, they become dumbstruck.

The response they give in the moment will normally always typically be a copy / paste of the Google search answer or a ChatGPT-written reply.

Again, it's low-grade narcissism, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time; the best response to these types is just to mute and block them or sit back and laugh as they evolve into parodies of themselves in real time.

Shannon Briggs's whole personality changed on the PEDs. Later in his career, he went from a guy with durability and stamina issues to chasing Wald all over the world; he even outlasted Foreman. I'm sure he made a few quid, but the twelve-round beatdown he suffered at the hands of Vitali was beyond karmic.

He even came back a few years later, won a few nondescript fights, and started a fake beef with David Haye in the hope of another shot at rinsing the unaware.

 

Can you imagine if DAZN employed @Beale as an analyst?

Eddie Hearn would need a new hair system within a week.

 

The table legs would be shaky Adam

 

You're right about small hall shows and lower level fighters. But at elite world level pretty much everyone is using something, as is the case with all sports.

 

James Toney was on gear and look at him, physical appearance isn't as big of an indication as people think as there are lots of other factors at play. If anything the fact Andy Ruiz is so fat yet still has such great stamina makes him even more suspect. Jarrell Miller is a perfect example of this.