Deontay Leshun Wilder vs. Andrés Ponce Ruiz, Jr.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Mar 22, 2023.


"Bronze Bomber" or "The Destroyer"?

Poll closed May 20, 2023.
  1. Wilder on points

    2.5%
  2. Wilder by stoppage

    72.5%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Ruiz on points

    2.5%
  5. Ruiz by stoppage

    22.5%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...possibly May twentieth, MGM Grand. Pending agreement from both sides. Final eliminator authorized by the WBC between their #1 and #2 ranked heavyweight contenders. Date and venue tentatively booked and held, subject to change.

    Fight is already confirmed to be happening sometime this year; the only question is whether either camp wants a tune-up first at this point. Each man is coming off a victory (over a decent - if declining - name in the division) in autumn of 2022.
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Ruiz vs. Luis Ortíz and Wilder vs. Robert Helenius a few weeks later were both co-eliminators, so this plan has been in place for a while.
     
  3. FrankinDallas

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    Will it be in front of 80,000 fans at Jerry Jones' Death Star? Or 5,000 casuals in a newly built arena with wooden seats? Maybe in Montana somewhere?
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Wilder KO1, Ruiz is made to order for him stylistically.
     
  5. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don’t think round 1 but i completely agree CST80, Ruiz lacks head movement and likes eating shots nearly as much as he enjoys eating tacos, he also likes coming forward in straight lines is flat footed, wilder will bang a 1-2 down the pipe and it’s night night Ruiz.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I was thi nking during the Big Baby fight with Lucas Browne, that it's useless to hit fat boxers to the body because they have a lot of flab protection. Wilder is a headhunter, rarely going to the body, so he's like to win by KO fairly early.
     
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  7. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    All these people predicting an early and easy KO for Wilder.....I do not agree.

    Don't forget Ruiz can fire off explosive combos, and Wilder isn'texactly a sharpshoorter. I also think that the Viking KO1 may be misleading a lot of people about where his head is at. Fury took his soul, and if he gets buzzed then we will really see the effect that trilogy had on him.

    If Ruiz comes in good shape I may slightly lean in his direction.
     
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  8. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruiz is a plodder who has a bad tendency to stand in front of his opponent for long periods of time doing nothing and just waiting for a counter shot.

    Both are past their best, but Wilder’s style ages better, and Ruiz quite frankly looked awful against a shot to pieces Ortiz, needing 3 official KDs (1 of those being bogus) to narrowly scrape a decision win.

    Wilder inside 6 via brutal KO, I would genuinely be shocked if Ruiz won.
     
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  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    T-Rex vs Kangaroo.

    Kangaroo by brutal KO...
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Hot take: neither of them is within 4-5 levels of being on Usyk's level (nor 3-4 of Fury's).

    This certainly isn't the biggest joke among WBC final eliminators in recent memory - that remains Arreola vs. Stiverne I, and it's hard to imagine anything toppling it from its perch as the worst (and the rematch is still, if not the most nonsensical matchup for a version of HW championship of the world, then right up there). But we're talking a 37 year old, thrashed by Fury thrice over, versus a fatty with quick hands but slow feet and dead average pop. Either man being just one fight away from challenging for the storied green belt - or perhaps all of them unified depending on how things shake out with Fury vs. Usyk - solely based, in this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business, on defeating geezers like Ortíz and Helenius, is a bit of a joke.

    I'll be watching, it's an interesting matchup between what passes for good contenders in this era, with Ruiz the underdog but Wilder's age and the stoppage losses maybe messing with his mental somewhat evening things out ...but these are not worthy follow-up challengers to whoever comes out undisputed (if anyone).
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    For what it's worth, the win over Helenius had zero impact on choosing WIlder to win by early KO here, and it certainly hasn't misled me. I also predicted Helenius wouldn't get out of the first round. The people who thought Helenius had a snowball's chance in hell were deluding themselves and let their hatred of Wilder cloud their judgement. I've been saying the same thing about this match even before he fought Helenius. Sure Ruiz has fast hands, but he also has stumpy little fidget arms, and does his best work at close range. While Wilder isn't a great counter puncher, or a sharpshooter, he won't need to be here. Ruiz has never been all that hard to hit flush and Wilder will hit him aplenty. Sure, he stood up to flush bombs from AJ and Ortiz, but Wilder's power is on another level.
     
  12. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If Wilder doesn't learn to clinch, he'll have problems when Ruiz closes the distance.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder-Ruiz is a comical mismatch

    1. 6’6.5 vs 6’

    2. 83 inch reach vs 74 inch reach

    3. Fast feet vs slow feet

    4. Agile vs laboured

    5. Massive puncher vs relatively light puncher

    6. Good jab at long range vs no jab at long range

    7. Highly disciplined and motivated vs poor discipline and often unmotivated

    8. Outpointed Chakhkiev in the amateurs vs outpointed by Mike Wilson in the amateurs

    9. Won Olympic bronze in Beijing vs won the Mexican nationals

    10. 13 world title fights (10-2-1) vs 3 world title fights (1-2)

    11. Beats shorter or slower men vs beaten by taller faster men

    12. KO’d Morales, Liakhovich, Arreola and Ortiz x2 vs distance with more worn versions of Morales, Liakhovich, Arreola and Ortiz

    It gets worse for Ruiz: compared to Joshua, Wilder has superior stamina, mental toughness and (likely still) durability, he’s unlikely to underestimate Ruiz as Joshua and Ortiz did, he will be extremely motivated to beat Ruiz given the history with Joshua and Ortiz and for what it’s worth, Arreola, Ortiz and Ruiz’s former coach Sanchez strongly favour Wilder to KO Ruiz.
     
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  14. JDub

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    Probably Wilder stoppage, but if Ruiz is in shape (probably won't be) it could get interesting as he's a good counter puncher and Wilder will give him opportunities to counter until he eventually nails him.
     
  15. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    I guess that I just don't think Wilder has the boxing ability to consistently land that shot and keep a motivated Ruiz off of him. Allow me to present a scenario and you tell me if it is far fetched.

    Wilder comes out throwing wild haymaker right hands looking for a knockout. He lands one or two, and he also gets countered and buzzed on one of them. He holds his punches a bit more after that and is looking slightly unwilling to pull the trigger. This allows Andy to close the distance and use his superior interior fighting to make Wilder very uncomfortable. Wilder shows his age, looks sloppy, and gets outworked to a decision loss.

    Wilder is 37, and coming off of career altering beatdowns that have ruined fighters far younger than him. I think he has a chance to land an early KO sure, but if he gets hurt slightly I think Andy takes this.
     
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