Deontay Leshun Wilder vs. Dillian Whyte

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Jul 8, 2021.

Bronze Bomber or Body Snatcher?

Poll closed Jul 24, 2021.
  1. Wilder on points

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  2. Wilder by stoppage

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  3. Draw

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  4. Whyte on points

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  5. Whyte by stoppage

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  1. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Exactly

    Money he dont need

    He is earning well regardless and he has never been bothered about his resume
     
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  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Active Member Full Member

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    TBH if he didn't care about money or resume to some extent he wouldn't still be fighting at all - if he neither needed money nor cared about his legacy (such as it is) he wouldn't be taking the Fury rematch.

    In that sense... if they're struggling to sell Fury-Wilder 3, then he might take Whyte if he thinks it'd do better figures if he needs money, and he might risk fighting Whyte if he thinks he's got a better chance of improving his resume than by waiting for Fury.

    I'm not necessarily making that argument, but it's not that big a stretch IMHO.
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Of course he cares about money

    But the payday for Fury is enough, he hasn't got to take a risk to earn a bit more in between

    But legacy and resume wise i dont agree with you

    Its only when his management said we need a name on your CV they pulled Fury off the couch
     
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  4. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It obviously won’t be Whyte but Wilder would be doing himself a huge favour if he got a half- decent opponent for that date to get rid of ring rust.

    20 months out come October is ridiculous.
     
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  5. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Strange; several months ago I recall this forum having a different take on the legitimacy of a fight between Whyte & Wilder and now the sentiment has changed. The reality is, Whyte is a strong yet limited top contender, his scalp would be a nice addition but it's not a knock to Wilder if the challenge was rejected. That October date with Fury isn't happening if Wilder/Whyte takes flight, that much I'm sure of.
     
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  6. BubblesUK

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    Maybe you're right.

    Resume clearly doesn't mean too much to him... Legacy, I'm not so sure.

    His attempts to paint himself not just as a hard hitter but the hardest hitter in history suggest he doesn't want to be forgotten.

    His attempts to hide his ducking of AJ (claiming the reverse) suggest he was looking to build a legacy by knocking out almost everyone he fought and retiring unbeaten by routinely ducking every major fighter that put offers in front of him... And truth told, it was working - large numbers of fans claiming he was so dangerous that Joshua didn't dare fight him, that he was clearly the #1 fighter in the world - complete nonsense, of course.

    I think he cares a fair bit about his legacy, that he feels a deep need to beat Fury in order to correct his mistake and redeem himself (and certain people are already helping him set this up by portraying Fury as the second coming, which could itself be debated, so that if he does somehow get the win he'll be able to claim he's an ATG again).

    There's really two ways it could go from the Fury fight not happening, or Wilder losing it again - he might go out and try to forge a legacy a different way by fighting actual contenders, or he might just give it up and retire.

    Whatever the case may be, his reputation has had a staggeringly easy ride thusfar
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Active Member Full Member

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    Out of interest, how would you describe Wilder, then?

    A "strong yet limited" fighter - sounds pretty spot on... But with such a limited resume, calling him a strong yet limited top contender would be rather generous, but why not.

    Given that Wilder has spent his career rejecting such challenges, I guess it wouldn't be any more a knock than the rest of the times he did.

    Equally, it's precisely why it's so hard to tell whether he's a real top contender or not.
     
  8. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Richard of Shrewsbury Full Member

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    The fight won't happen.

    But if it did, Wilder despite his limitations would KO the chinny Dillian Whyte.
     
  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Active Member Full Member

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    Are they not both chinny and limited?
     
  10. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Wilder and Whyte are similar in that sense, although I'd give Whyte the edge in technique, skill and execution especially under intense moments when Wilder seems to lose all semblance of a trained fighter. The problem with most fans is they don't realize Wilder has the form he's just an emotional mess that tends to deliver his attack with a raw primal nature versus a learned craft.
     
  11. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would bet a lot that Wilder stops Whyte so would Joe Joyce and frankly Dubois is a “pick em” fight.
     
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  12. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you on this. Personally feel Whyte should have stuck to MMA.
     
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  13. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie is just taking the **** he knows Wilder and Fury have to fight each other next.
     
  14. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whyte smashed that biscuit chin all under <6rd
     
  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Active Member Full Member

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    The question is "based on what?"

    I would argue that the opposite is more likely on several points:
    1) Wilder consistently ducking Whyte suggests that Wilder himself isn't confident of winning.
    2) Whyte has a far less **** resume.
    3) Whyte has better fundamentals.

    Now sure, Wilder could win, but I find it difficult to find actual reasons to back him other than hollow ones like "he's held belts and Whyte hasn't" which falls apart the moment you examine it remotely critically... Unless you got some arguments I haven't?

    Whyte is limited, but Wilder is basically a fraud and his true level is very difficult to know because he refuses to fight anyone significantly better than a journeyman (and that's being polite to Ortiz for little good reason).


    Joyce and Whyte would be interesting... Dubois isn't remotely close to these guys.