Deontay Leshun Wilder vs. Dillian Whyte

LOL Ortiz has only beaten Bryant Jennings

 

Ortiz is possibly the most overated boxer ive ever seen

Whilst decent, he is no more than that

Whyte as much i cant stand the fool would fight Fury tomorrow if Fury gave him the opportunity


I would never defend Whyte as i detest him but his resume is better than Wilders

He is a former world champ with 10 defences so its a shambles they can even be compared to be honest

Shows how miserable his reign was

 

Okay but who has Ortiz beaten of any note... Jennings and Hammer? Hardly the resume of a world class fighter..

The idea he was ever top 5 is exceptionally generous.

And Fury has shown twice that there's levels upon levels between him and Wilder.

You could drive a city through that chasm between Wilders best win and the ceiling represented by his humiliation at the hands of Fury.

You say you're not biased towards Wilder and I'm trying hard to believe you, but it's ludicrous to suggest his resume is anything other than exceptionally poor for a champion with so many defences.

I'm fine with rating him on subjective opinions of what he could do and who you think he beats up to a point, but it's really more of a hunch than an educated estimate then, isn't it?

 

Indeed... As a strap holder, almost everyone wants a crack at you to get their hands on your belt - there's no excuse for not getting decent fights made when you have the perfect carrot.

Ortiz is probably around Chisora level IMHO - which is respectable enough, but people putting him down as top 5 at any moment in time is absolutely ridiculous.

Having said that... Wilder is arguably even more overrated.

I mean it's one thing to overrate a guy who's basically gatekeeper level and claim he's #4 (as I've seen Dubblechin do for Ortiz) but it's quite another to rate a guy whose best win is gatekeeper level as world #1 (pre Fury) or #2 (post Fury)... And plenty of people seem really keen to do exactly that for Wilder.

 

Check my analysis of him prior to both fights with Wilder.

 

With respect Olu, I ain't going diving through anyone's post history looking for a post that may or may not be the one they want me to read.

Link it and I'll have a look, if you can't be bothered to look for it then I guess we'll have to agree that it's not worth it?

If not, perhaps you could give a really basic overview of how a guy with a resume that empty could possibly be ranking way up in the top 5?

It's going to have to be good, though, as I'm fairly confident with my view that rating guys based on what you see against **** opponents doesn't translate into anything other than what they can do against **** opponents - when you up the level of competition, more fighters than not will fall by the wayside regardless of how they looked at lower levels... For every fighter that looks good against a journeyman or two and goes on to be elite there are a whole bunch that never get beyond gatekeeper level - this is why resumes matter, because without proving themselves against guys at the level they claim to be at, the odds are pretty heavily stacked that they're not.

 

If you have read my posts on Wilder I don’t rate him as a boxer. His fundamentals are crap but he has power, some hand speed and athletic ability. However Whyte who I don’t rate particularly highly is ready made to order for Wilder. It’s not rocket science neither is he the hard nut indestructible persona he tries to portray. The thing about boxing is you find out the truth in the ring. Been in this game a long time. I know what I see.

 

Whyte by upset ko round 9

 

Whyte has beaten 2 fighters much better than Ortiz (Wilder's only notable win) in Parker and Povetkin. Whyte has beaten 3 guys who are on par with Ortiz in Chisora, Rivas and Heleinius.

Whyte' s resume is level above Wilder ls. Style wise Wilder has just been dropped by glancing body shot from boxer not known for having power - how is going hold up against bodyd snatcher in that case?

 

What’s with people saying wilder gets destroyed by whyte smh. If Whyte gets KO’d by a 41 ur old povetkin then it’s clear whyte would absolutely get destroyed and battered by Wilder.

 

I agree.

I'm starting to think Whyte might not get past Wallin.

 

I don't rate Wilder but since Whyte's last positive drug test he has looked softer, slower and easier to hit. I wouldn't be surprised if Whyte's chin is permanently cracked.

 

Wilder will not be the same fighter in his next fight, not just because of the loss, but more to do with age. You’ll see what I mean very soon now.

 

We don't know what Wilder has left and especially what he'll have left after next weekend. Aging and took a beating in his last night, possibly followed by another beating.

I do think the 2019 Wilder would dispatch today's Whyte pretty easily, though. Whyte is pretty good but that would be a rough matchup for him. I'd like to see him fight Ruiz or Ortiz. Won't happen, tho.

 

Another big $ winning bet. I hope Whyte gets a chance, because he would stop hood bambi.