Deontay Leshun Wilder vs. Robert Gabriel Helenius & Caleb Plant vs. Anthony Dirrell RBR.

Last I will say on the subject (it's 2 am where I am).

OK, let's say Wilder was at about 75 degrees external rotation prior to that punch (which wasn't strictly a straight punch - but never mind). External rotation ROM can vary a lot from person to person and even 120-125 degrees isn't uncommon among athletes. So he probably wasn't all that close to full external rotation.

There's also a whole range of stuff like glenoid version, glenoid inclination, humeral retroversion ,etc. that can influence (substantially) how hard that punch could be thrown.

We disagree and that's OK.

 

I just see you calling tonight a clear dive from Helenius.

I'll uh leave it at that.

 

A lot of Wilder opponents get over confident, carried away by out boxing him. Hellanious too was no different where he got over confident and reckless after pushing Wilder back, along the ropes but Wilder was actually laying out a trap and setting him up for the right hand.

The trilogy with Fury could only have done Wilder a world of good, he is not going to face a boxer like the caliber of Fury again. He now knows opponents are going to come charging at him and trying to push him back therefore he has to work on finding a way to land the right hand of the backfoot.

Like Lennox Lewis said on PBC for most fighters who are not Tyson Fury, "don't follow a puncher around"

 

Modern Martial artist does a good video explaining the mechanics of the Anchor/Phantom punch. Shows several examples of Ali stunning and dropping opponents with punches that look like light slaps. Either they all took a dive or the technique is legit.

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Yeah that's right, bail out of the conversation because you have no answer, run along now.

 

i've already answered at length. You are obviously triggered by what transpired in the ring tonight and in need of a good whine. Enjoy that.

 

I think this is all a fair opinion.
The weather is nice here so I'll head outside.
My analysis from a bio mechanic perspective Is I think its very unlikely this was real and not fake.
But I also respect what all you guys are saying that it could also be possible

 

Helenius was doing his best "Fury from Wilder 2" impression and it didn't work out too well for him.

 

You haven't stated what Wilder's style is that would trouble Usyk other than a jab to camouflage the right, he has a rubbish jab. Anyway it's past 7am here and i've had a few too many to drink so i'll have to leave it there.

 

Sorry are you blind? It was a half cocked slap to the nose, bounced off his face and there was no snapping of the head. Watch the video again and again. That’s a clear dive. It is literally a playground slap by a girl to the nose. It’s physically impossible for there to be any power in the punch. It was a dive. Helenius has a terrible chin and Wilder has otherworldly power. Amir Khan wouldn’t have noticed this punch. These are friends who bungled the performance. Look at the video of the punch. It is as plain as daylight. Can you see that the knuckles didn’t even land? Can you see that Wilder is confused about what was happening, and took a second to realise that was the dive moment? It was an open hand slap to the face. Not even a good one.


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Right on the chin lol

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https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...review-prediction-video.692884/#post-21937796

 

Why are you talking about irrelevant anatomy? Those things make little to no difference to the power of a global movement, you have no idea what you’re talking about so stop pretending to be intelligent by using irrelevant terminology. I know what you’re talking about so I can clown you on this if you want to continue it.

 

Hahah yes obviously. What the hell do you hear?

 

Have a look at the video. It’s as clear as daylight that it is a dive. I can’t stand the conspiracy-theory nature of fans, and I have never suspected this before in any fight. This was a clear dive.