Deontay Wilder all time heavyweight ranking were does he stand?

Deontay Wilder fought better versions of Tyson Fury in all three of their fights than Usyk ever faced.

Tyson Fury was younger and fitter for all three Wilder fights than he was against Usyk.

Anyone with working eyes can tell you that.

Fury's conditioning was atrocious for the last Usyk fight, in particular. His body was pure pudding. It was shocking to see.

The difference between Fury in Wilder 1 (just turned 30 & 256 pounds) and the 36-year-old, nearly 300-pound Fury in the Usyk rematch was night and day.

His body in his rematch with Usyk looked like it did when he was a drunkard. Absolutely zero tone and loads of fat.

For Usyk 2, Fury was (and clearly looked to be) in the absolute worst condition of his entire career. Anyone would be hard pressed to claim otherwise. His soft, bloated form is there for all to see.

Still, a lot of people thought he won that fight.

 

Top 30s

 

The 2 put of 3 fights took something from Fury and Wilder

Of course both are disliked so it doesn't fit the narrative. Usyk was much fresher than Fury physically. Also goy to laugh how Wilder was found out by parker at near 40, yet the much younger AJ is past prime

I do think Wilder resume could have been stronger, but with a different ref he would have a win vs Fury and povetkin didn't make it.

Wilder isn't Ali, but nobody said he was. However, despite his limitations, he has great power and showed he has plenty of heart

 

This is a classic difference in perception.

Wilder beat A LOT of decent fighters. He beat a lot of decent fighters who outweighed him significantly, in fact.

His amateur and pro accomplishments are proof of that.

After going unbeaten as a pro for nearly 12 years, when he got OLD, he finally lost to three decent fighters who ALSO outweighed him considerably.

He never lost to a bad fighter. Ever. (How many guys that you'd rank above him could say that?)

The fact that Wilder took so long to lose (12 years), and when he finally did he only lost to top heavyweights, leads some to mistakenly say he lost when he FINALLY stepped up.

Like he'd never stepped up in his life.

Lots of guys that you'd probably rate above him lost to some pretty awful opponents. And not just at the end of their careers when they were significantly outweighed, like Wilder was in his losses.

The irony is many of you would probably hold him in higher regard if he'd lost to bad fighters every couple years, or beat them in a rematch, like a lot of heavyweights on any all-time list often did, than what he did do, which was just knocking them out and moving on.

Instead of looking at it positively, you "twist" that he only lost to a couple decent fighters at the end of his career ... to he lost when he stepped up.

You guys don't do that to anyone else, because a lot of them lost to pretty terrible guys throughout their careers they had no business losing to.

You've been doing it so long in discussions about Wilder I don't even think you know you're doing it.

 

Now 85. I just quoted the 73 from the last time I was looking at the rankings a couple of months ago. They are far from perfect, but I think they are a good starting point. Greatness is subjective, but some sort of real math has to be there before we can get to the subjective part.

 

He beat virtually no decent fighters. He gets modest credit for Stiverne 1 and OrtizX2. That is all.

 

That's not true.

Fury was not in shape against Usyk in the 2nd fight which is his own fault but he was 280+ pounds that's not in shape.

Fury was also lighter in his fight against Wilder the 1st time 256 pounds compared to 262 pounds vs Usyk the 1st time.

In actual fact you could say Wilder has fought a lighter fitter fresher Fury twice.

 

There is a real irony here that I was one of the first and most vociferous Wilder-haters, and 44% have him ranked lower than I do, at top 90 or below.

The public got red-pilled hard on Deontay.

 

• Terrible resume. One of the worst of any 'champion' in history.
• Wins he actually has have bad contextual factors such as being outboxed round after round, being rocked, opponent was old, injured, short camp etc.

• Every loss he has was a drubbing. Only one was remotely competitive.
• Blatantly ducked other top fighters he knew he couldn't beat.
• Horrendous H2H ability - quite literally has one good quality (right hand) which was overrated and has been nullified on film multiple times. No ring iq and poor fundamentals.
• Entire career is literally a product of media hype and WBC favouritism.

Even giving him top 60 is very, very, very generous. One of the worst champions ever in the history of Boxing.

 

Stfu

 

Wilder won the National Golden Gloves.
Wilder won the US Amateur Championships.
Wilder won the US Olympic Trials.
Wilder won a Bronze in the Olympics, losing in the semifinals ... the same year and same division where Usyk failed to medal at all.
Wilder won the WBC Heavyweight Title ... made 10 successful defenses (including one against the undefeated Ring champ)
Wilder is ranked Top Five all-time in longest single reign at heavyweight
Wilder is ranked Top 10 all-time among most defenses of a heavyweight title
Wilder won his first 40 straight fights ... knocking out every man he faced. Only two heavyweight champions in history went 40-0, Foreman and Marciano.

He achieved more than most heavyweights have ever done.

Head-to-head, he has a puncher's chance to beat nearly every heavyweight in the 20th century, when most heavyweights were 220 pounds or so or less.

He never lost to anyone who weighed less than him.

But I have him only in the top 30 because, in the 21st Century, as fighters will continue to get bigger and bigger, the fewer all-time head-to-head matchups he likely wins.

The size differences today are just becoming too much. Many 20th century champions wouldn't have consistently been able to handle the size differences. But Wilder still managed to overcome those differences for a dozen years.

That said, even though Wilder was outweighed by everyone he fought for 12 straight years, he still managed to compile a historic record, only losing as an older fighter against top heavyweights who outweighed him by anywhere from 30 to 70 pounds.

People who bash Wilder ignore that he was a scrawny, bony fighter with a lightweight's legs, who still demolished giants for the better part of a decade.

Cruiserweights and light heavies today who move up weigh more than Wilder did.

Deontay Wilder was this century's Bob Fitzsimmons.