Deontay Wilder: Analysing his first step up fight

Ortiz became the WBA mandatory under Hearn. After that he left for PBC and got caught on PEDs losing the status. If he didn't juice, he would be next in line to challenge AJ after Pulev. Offer in 2019 is 100% relevant as Ortiz' team themselves said it was a mistake to turn it down and Ortiz got much less money for fighting Wilder later in the year. Nobody was afraid of Ortiz. It was a marketing gimmick just like with Bakole recently.

 

I’m no wilder fanboy but that kind of check is customary for the NYAC, you make some fine points but that bit kinda sucks

 

Ortiz was 39 years old for Wilder 1. People praised Wilder for an amazing comeback performance. Fast forward a few years and Wilder was 39 years old when Parker shut him out. People belittled Parkers (and later Zhangs) win(s) over Wilder because he was old.

The ole tribalism double standard...rules for thee but not for me

 

Hearn and Joshua didn’t want to fight him. The WBA not giving him a retroactive TUE has nothing to do with their sentiment. Ortiz got paid well for the Wilder rematch and other PBC fights. Hearn giving him a short notice offer when he was pushing 40 doesn’t excuse them.

 

Joshua didn't have a spot to fight Ortiz before he got caught od PEDs. And if he wasn't, he would fight him as a mandatory challenger. Hearn offered Ortiz 7 million for the AJ fight. He only earned 1.5 millie for the Wilder rematch. Ortiz' own camp admitted they messed this up.

 

I can’t speak for “people” who you said did this or that. I certainly didn’t.

I know this: there’s a ot of guys who could have easily made fights with Ortiz as he aged from mid-30s onward who decided not to. There’s a reason for that. He was dangerous and had mad skills. If he was so washed or diminished, you’d think guys would have been lining up to fight him but they ran like cockroaches when the lights come on.

 

Luis “King Kong” Ortiz earned a reported $1.5 million base purse for the Wilder rematch on November 23, 2019, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegasbadlefthook.com+12boxingnews24.com+12mmamania.com+12. According to ESPN and MMAmania, his guaranteed earnings—including pay-per-view (PPV) revenue, sponsorships, and other bonuses—were closer to $7 million


The ducking was prior to Luis turning 38. He got fights as an old guy and I’m happy that he at least got paid for his talents.

 

Give me a list of who actually fought him. The ‘everybody not on that list’ who could have fought him and didn’t avoided him.

Dillian Whyte screamed bloody murder for a title shot, was offered an eliminator with Ortiz and noped the **** out.

 

And what did he do actually for the need for everybody to fight him? He beat Bryant Jennings, that's it. He wasn't a world beater. Hearn got him a title shot, but he blew it because of the PEDs. After that his camp declined the offer for another title shot. He sabotaged his own career.

 

So he would have earned even more with the base purse of 7 million. You can't sabotage your career and then say you were ducked, lol.

 

Just because you say that doesnt mean its true. Its definitely true that Ortiz was MARKETED as a boogeyman but I dont recall anyone ever outright ducking him. Because its ALSO TRUE that he had zero public appeal and was a hard sell.

People said the same about Lucian Bute and more recently Sabriel Matias. People said the same about Fundora. They actually said the same about Wilder...as if AJ and Fury and Klitschko were ducking HIM.

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true. Ortiz was not a boogeyman. He has an excellent amateur pedigree and turned pro late - that's what cubans do in boxing - its a cultural thing. He was a solid HW but never appreciated to more than that.

 

Don’t try to save yourself with the “lol.”

You just invented Eddie offering incentives like PBC did after skipping roughly 5.5 million of Ortiz’s contract, nevermind the other seven figure paydays they got him after the Wilder fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about Hearn’s contracts compared to PBC bc contract matching a 39 year old Ortiz has nothing to do with fighting him during his best years. Drummer Boy Molina got called up though.

 

I mentioned Dillian Whyte turning down an eliminator with him. That’s documented fact.

But if everything you say is true, then why not fight him? You (and a few others) are basically saying: He wasn’t that good; he didn’t have a lot of great wins; he was really old.

OK, he was also highly ranked … so if he’s not all that, then why not fight him and get that ‘easy’ win over the ‘old man’ and get yourself a few rungs higher on the ladder? … maybe (probably) vault straight to a title shot.

Yet nobody did. People not being willing to fight him made it hard for him to add more meaningful scalps to his resume — you can’t beat someone who won’t fight you. All these brave souls and yet nobody raises their hand and says ‘I’ll take care of the old man’? Hmmm.

 

Dillian Whyte? What? He was a contender...

I dont even know if he was ever a champion. People choose alrernative opponents all the time for a multitude of reasons.

 

I’m saying apart from Wilder, top guys didn’t want to fight Ortiz. That includes contenders.

When a contender who is screaming for a title shot is offered an eliminator and runs from it, that tells you something … Whyte didn’t want a piece of Ortiz.

Eddie Hearn promoted Ortiz for a spell and basically put him in deep freeze. Luis dominated Malik Scott so Eddie put him in with UK domestic talent David Allen and kept him away from the top guys Matchroom was promoting. Can’t blame Luis for not wanting to do business with Eddie again later as Edddie had his chance and did **** all.

Ortiz is a very good win for Wilder (both fights). Your own eyes can tell you the guy can fight. You can see why others avoided him. But if he’s an ‘old man,’ then why didn’t some top guys step up and say ‘this should be easy, he’s old. I’ll fight him’?