Deontay Wilder & Harry Greb

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  1. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder has been the subject of much criticism during his career, in part because of his sub-par opponents chosen for his seemingly endless, voluntary mandatory defences. The other usual complaint, and the pertinent one for this thread, is aimed at his highly unorthodox, wild, off-balance offence, often described as "windmilling". Wilder will be seemingly getting out-boxed up until the moment he lands something before unleashing these panicky, messy attacks which invariably end with his opponent horizontal and Wilder victorious.

    The legendary Harry Greb is routinely ranked by experts in the top 3 fighters in boxing history, however no tape of Greb in the ring exists so we are left with his resume with which to gauge his ability as well as eye witness accounts. Given his monikers of 'The Pittsburgh Windmill' or 'The Human Windmill' is it possible that Greb fought in a manner similar to the current WBC Heavyweight Champion, at least offensively, or rather Wilder stumbled upon a forgotten boxing style which was lost along with any recordings of Greb in action?

    Obviously, given Greb's accomplishments against top tier opposition, I imagine he would boast a far superior all round skill set and I don't wish to offend or compare the two in overall ability. Although given his nicknames perhaps his offence would resemble the much maligned but so far highly effective Deontay Wilder. I realise this may not go down too well here in the 'classic' section but if Wilder steps up his level of competition and then goes on to topple the other titlists in the coming years with this same style, I might not seem so crazy after all.
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The "Windmill" that people refer to Greb as is different from that of Wilder. Greb threw in high volume from odd angles and such as you have already pointed out. Wilder isn't exactly like that and it is mostly his over hand right that people refer to because it comes out wildly like a windmill. Greb (as far as I have read) didn't punch like that.

    But I have no idea honestly. Nobody alive does because there is no footage like you said.
     
  3. reznick

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    In his shadow sparring, Greb punched with cocked elbows, using body movement to punch from all angles.
     
  4. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Hey! My favourite poster, hows things buddy?

    Thanks for the reply, I know a lot of posters will think I am trolling or just plain dumb but whenever I get an idea and can't find an answer I rely on you fine people of the classic forum to help me out.

    I suspected Greb must have been far more accomplished in his craft than Wilder considering his acheivments. such a shame there is no footage of him fighting. Were any of his bouts known to have been recorded? (then destroyed or lost)
     
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  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm sure some were recorded just because of the popularity of the bouts but the film was destroyed or lost. A poster on here @klompton2 is very informed on Greb's exploits as he wrote an entire book about Greb. He could sure help answer any questions you have.
     
  6. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Hopefully he pops into the thread at some point, although he likely won't be too impressed with my Wilder comparison. Deontay should embrace the windmiller accusations, "The Bronze Bomber" isn't the greatest nickname ever - "The Alabama Windmill" is much better:cool:.
     
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well Greb was obviously a very skilled and accomplished windmiller.
    Wilder is a mere amateur windmiller in comparison.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Haven't seen Greb, so can't comment.LufCrazy.
     
  9. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    "Live Fast, Die Young the Life and Times of Harry Greb" by Stephen Compton?

    Just so I am 100% sure is this the right one, Klompton/Compton:sherlock:

    Can any of his friends or enemies here on the forum give a quick review?
    (and/or link to possible thread?)
    Is this the best book written on Greb? £32 on amazon :yikes:
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I haven't read it, but it is supposed to be exhaustively researched and got a great review from an excellent poster here H .E .Grant.
     
  11. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haha why not I am sure he will give you a discount, the way you defend it without seeing it, now that is a standup of friend.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I haven't endorsed or defended it, I've just mentioned that it got good reviews ,[on Amazon] I made it clear I haven't read it.Have you?


    It was also shortlisted for the Man Booker Prize.
    "Man Booker International Prize Shortlist 2017"

    I've no plans to buy it and if I did I would not require a discount. Keep your personal animosity towards Klompton to yourself .I'm just trying to give Joff Joff a heads up,don't be so childish.
     
  13. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Is this because you are just not one for books?
    I am curious why a boxing fanatic like yourself wouldn't be interested in reading this, especially as you respect the author and have heard good things about the book. Even though I am sure this book was a labour of love rather than a commercial venture, guys like you (not that I know you) are exactly who would be expected to buy it. A week ago I had to google "Merqui Sosa" because I didn't know who he was and even I am considering buying it.
    (ps. I am not rich:()
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've tons of boxing books, just finished Harry Otty's book on Charley Burley ,and George Kimball's " The Manly Art".
    I don't know Steve Compton, though he and I have had many heated arguments on here, but the reviews I've seen for the Greb book are very positive,I just don't know if I want to wade through 716pages at the moment.
     
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  15. LittleRed

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    It's a solid book. It's exhaustive; it's rather like the hands of stone book rather than say flame of pure fire in that it's a fight by fight reconstruction of greb's career rather than a historical account. Not that there isn't a little history but to be fair the book is already massive. I would recommend it if you want to understand Greb's boxing career.

    Klompton on here can be biased and a little contentious sometimes but we all can, it's the internet not a daycare. His book is very fair to all the parties; I found it a very unbiased account. I'm not sure if klompton likes Gene Tunney but Steve Compton the writer is not harsh or dismissive towards him at all in the book.
     
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