Deontay Wilder In The 70s

Based on?

 

Watch his fights. Check the ko percentage. Watch his hips and legs when he punches.

Fury is most certainly not a big puncher, let's be real, my friend.

 

Exactly, if Ortiz had come along in the 70s he'd probably still be looking for a contender who would get in the ring with him. A 240 pound southpaw with his amateur background...nobody would fight him. Wilder is a fighter unlike anybody in the 70s. With Wilder's length, power, stamina, the way he carries his power for the whole fight...he's just unlucky to share an era with Tyson Fury who is also a once in a lifetime freak of size, speed, coordination, and fighting instincts. Everybody has their own opinion, nothing can be proved across eras, but if it was possible for them to fight I'd bet on Wilder and Fury over all of the 70s fighters. Ortiz too.

Boxing is a world game now, the 70s was about who was the best U.S. heavyweight.

 

I'm not saying Fury is a big puncher, I'm saying there isn't a lot indicate Holmes hit undeniably harder. I'd honestly say of late with the way Fury had begun to throw his bodyweight in and not just swing his arms he's shown us he can whack. Holmes, well I don't think many guys have said much about Holmes power at all. I remember reading he didn't have a whole lot of pop. I've known someone who sparred Ali in the 70s a comparable puncher by most admissions and he said he wasn't anything special to any other HWs he worked with.

 

He’s also unlucky to not get a shot at a title until deep into his thirties.

 

Watch 1979-1983 Holmes again and tell me he didn't have a lot of pop. Weaver I (basically a one shot ko), Evangelista (same), Frazier, Cooney, the majority of Cobb. He knocked down Ocasio WITH A JAB (how many times has that happened in boxing? Fury never did anything like that).

I never said he hit harder, but the two are fairly matched in that realm. Holmes wasn't a big puncher but his right hand and uppercut were no joke.

 

Is no match for the robust wristed, succulent, muscular jab of Sonny.

 

That's a very good name to bring up in this context.

As far as it being no match, I highly reccomend watching peak Holmes. In fact, just check out the Berbick fight. Trevor was committed to becoming champ and fought like it, in fact I believe he'd already beaten a top dog like Page to get there. He was a perfect contender and fought his heart out but Holmes' jab was a thing of beauty.

So yeah, Sonny had a freaking incredible jab, but Holmes and Foreman's could be as effective (I daresay Louis and Ali at their best as well).

 

A lot of it has to do with timing and exhaustion with a lot of other factors at play. I didn't see a lot of heavy handed guys knock folks down with a jab, it doesn't mean Larry hit harder. I think I'll go with what the guys who fought him said on this one.

 

I heard it was a left handed right cross.

 

Nothing wrong with that.

À chacun ses goûts

 

IMO, Ali's competition (lack of) in the 60s is what makes people think that he was unbeatable in the 60s. Like you, I don't think the 71 Ali is much different than 60s Ali, things just got tougher for him in the 70s because he was fighting bigger and better athletes than he fought in the 60s. The athletes have gotten bigger and better since.

Make the money in MT the same as it is in boxing and I doubt that Thailand would dominate MT very long. Fighters go to where the money is, when more people compete in a sport, the sport can only get better.

 

You just picked Wilder to beat everyone I said he'd beat in this thread, except Lyle and Ali in MSG.

And I disagree with you there. That Ali was banned from MSG following that fight his performance was deemed so poor. Lyle was never anything special.

I don't know how I embarrassed myself. You don't have Jimmy Ellis beating him either.

You have Wilder against Shavers' opponents finishing with what, an 85-4 record?

(Because Jimmy Young and his 7-3 and 13-4-1 records when Shavers faced him isn't beating Wilder any day of the week. Jimmy Young wasn't a large favorite over anyone then. He couldn't beat Billy Aird then.)

 

Shavers didn't fight Foreman and Frazier.

And yesterday you said you'd confidently pick Wilder to beat Ali at MSG in 1977 when Shavers fought him.

So you'd have Wilder against Shavers' opponents finishing with an 87-2 record.

Yet, yesterday, regarding Shavers and Wilder, you called me an idiot for saying Wilder hit harder than him.

You're all over the goddamn place.