More facts. Stiverene was way over rated. Outside of Arreola, who was beaten before Stiverene fought him, who exactly did he beat.? He was also 36, and aside from Arreola beat no one in the top 40. Wilder failed to stop him when they first fought.
Why? For me Tabiti and Dorticos does have better resumes than he and his balls lickers might cry. These both at least had fought top guys and lost fight is not shame. Fight should be close matchup and unpredictable to bring interest. Not vs old Ortiz and supposedly rusty Fury I. Okey, rematch was interesting because supposedly easy night in the ( hometown) office turned into a draw on cards.
Yes Wilder resume is extremely overrated: Ortiz - who had only 1 notable his career. That's it, thats Wilder only notable win. Whilst very poor fighters have caused Wilder issues: Washington - was causing issues with his average jab and out boxed him in numerous rounds. This was the guybthat Chalrea Martin won every rpund against before KOing him. Spzilka - Spilkas average movment caused Wilder issued and was out boxing untill Wilder KOed him with a great shot. This was the guy that Chisora made short work of. Duhaupas just caused Wilder issues by walking him down and putting him on the back foot. Duhaupas harldy thre anything but when he dis he landed and damage Wilder - Wilders face was a mess. At no point did Duhaupas look in danger of being dropped, ref stopped the fight due to french Dave Allen lack of output. This was the guy that stepped in for Wilder when he bottled the Povetkin fight amd Povetkin brutall KOed him. Molina - took Wilder 9 rounds and rocked Wilder and made him do the chicken dance. Dropped by journeyman Nichol and Scroniers. Based on resumes alone rather than media hype and popularity I think he just sneaks in the top 10.
also with 40 y.o Ortiz version. Dear god how impressive marquee win vs 40 y.o fighter not known in europe.
The Cubans say Grandpa Ortiz was well past 40. The first fight was close. Wilder was hurt and holding on, but until Ortiz gassed and Wilder came on later.
Arreola, Jennings and Hammer have never been universally recognised top 10 HWs at any point in their careers. Stiverne being ranked highly thanks to one particular corrupt governing body who sounds like we be crooks doesnt make him top 10 either. Lay the crack pipe down son.
lol. Get a grip. Arreola spent SIX years ranked in the top 10 by RING. Thats more years spent in the top 10 than guys like Tua , Morrison , Sanders , Briggs , Moorer and many others. The poor quality of the division made him a top 10 , not the WBC. For both fights with Stiverne he was ranked top 10 by Ring. The win over Seth Mitchel after the first loss kept him ranked in the top 10. . Seth Mitchel was one of the marquee names of that era. lolz
This the same Ring magazine that had the likes of Stiverne, Glazkov, Solis, Boystov, Dimitrenko, Chambers, Virchis and Thompson in there top 10s. They even still have Ortiz is the top 10 now.
The Ring rankings prove that some era's are better than others. Those names being top 10 show that the era was poor and lacked quality.
I agree the K brothers era was poor in terms of depth of quality. However there was some questionable judgement decison on Rings rankings. I mean Rivas and Ortiz currently in the top 10? Wilder that high on the list. Putting Fury in number 2 having only beaten Shwarz and Wallin in years. Not having Ruiz number 1 when he beat the long term number 1 in AJ. Just some very questionable decisions by Ring regarding their rankings decisions.
Of course for casual fan era is better if champ is from his country or at least origin etc. Prime Klitsckos most likely had washed up floor with A.J not alone Wilder. Sadly they didn't come from US or U.K. therefore weak era of Kings in the HW boxing. Guy's doesn't have champ from US or U.K = weak era. Casual nationalistic mindset.
On the one hand, I would love to see the mental gymnastics required to create a top 10 list excluding every Wilder opponent except Fury and Ortiz. On the other hand I wouldn't want to subject anyone to thinking about the rank 5-10 types of that era, regardless of disagreement. Thank you for your service in going through the careers of Arreola and Mitchel, and let us pray for deeper HW divisions to come.
This isn't very accurate. Stiverne I believe was ranked top 10 in every ORG at the time, and top 5 by the Ring. (I know we should take all rankings with a grain of salt, but this is pretty much consensus that he was). Can't spin the first fight as not being a legit win, it most assuredly was and that's being non biased. Also, Breazale was top 10 (I don't know how or why but he was). We can't just pick and choose who to add in and take out of the top 10 because it doesn't fit our argument. Wilder has 4 top 10 opponents (one of which dominated him twice). Still very poor considering he was a titlist.