Deontay Wilder - INSIDE THE RESUME

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  1. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    I think he's got a very average resume, but not quite as bad as a lot of people say.

    Stiverne was a genuine top ten fighter when Wilder fought him the first time, and a favourite to win if I remember correctly. Duhaupas was an unknown but later went on to have a few decent wins and prove he wasn't quite as terrible as people thought. Szpilka was ok, but chinny, as Jennings and Mike Mollo proved, but notched up a few ok wins in his career (Wach, Adamek). Washington was also ok, around the level of Breazeale. Ortiz is a bit of an unknown. He's clearly no scrub but there are questions over just how good he was when he fought Wilder.

    Arreola was a completely worthless defence, and so was the Stiverne rematch. Molina as well. Those are genuine bottom scraper fights.

    Scott, the fight to set him up with the title shot, was of course a blatant dive, and no more needs to be said of that.

    In comparison with the rest of the division I'd put it on a similar level to Joseph Parker's. Both have a couple of solid wins between them, and a hell of a lot of filler.
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, from one point you are correct, opinions in internet are more like entertainment value.
    From another point, most interesting fights are when fighters are with similar resumes and records, close in ranking and AGE.

    From this point it looks different and the same Dorticos fights for me were more interesting.
    Low options easily to predict outcome.
    Both of them from age looked equal, approx 39-40?
    Ortiz ofc looked more athletic but he is slow boxer. Not bad but he is slow!

    If compare matches Dorticos vs Gassiev, Dorticos vs Tabiti and Dorticos vs Briedis these looked damn close to 50/50 fights.

    Opinions in internet are maybe not interesting but I do know that for him these were more dangerous fights.
    Not like some 27-30-31 y.o guys vs 38 and > 38 y.o fighters.

    If the boxer does have in the ring opponent with not worse resume and record + he is similar to his age or younger.
    It is risk. Mileage too matters.

    Ppl gladly apprecitate opinion that 1980 th Holmes wasn't 1988 th Holmes.
    With other boxers in internet forums this happens rarerly. then the same kind of wins vs 38-41 y.o boxers are seen like if they were 30? y.o.

    Rankings yes, if boxer past prime still is ranked highly, then boxer by defeating him might climb up in ranking of course.

    I too do not care much will someoene here agree but if evalue risk level, Dorticos resume is damn good and cool.
     
  3. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    DEONTAY WILDER PROFESSIONAL FIGHT RECORD
    Fight Nō - Opponent - Rank at Time of Fight

    1 - Ethan Cox - Unranked
    2 - Shannon Gray - Unranked
    3 - Richard Green - Unranked
    4 - Joseph Rabotte - 393rd
    5 - Charles Brown - Unranked
    6 - Kelsey Arnold - Unranked
    7 - Travis Allen - Unranked
    8 - Jerry Vaughn - Unranked
    9 - Ty Cobb - 399th
    10 - Alvaro Morales - Unranked
    11 - Dustin Nichols - Unranked
    12 - Shannon Caudle - Unranked
    13 - Harold Sconiers - Unranked
    14 - Dan Seehan - Unranked
    15 - Deandrey Abron - Unranked
    16 - Reggie Penna - Unranked
    17 - Damon Reed - 304th
    18 - D Alexander - Unranked
    19 - Daniel Cota - 489th
    20 - David Long - Unranked
    21 - Marlon Hayes - 368th
    22 - Jesse Oltmanns - 492nd
    23 - Owen Beck - Unranked
    24 - Kertson Manswell - 310th
    25 - Damon McCreary - 357th
    26 - Kevin Price - Unranked
    27 - Matthew Greer - 325th
    28 - Audley Harrison - 136th
    29 - Siarhei Liakhovich - 43rd
    30 - Nicolas Firtha - 121st
    31 - Malik Scott - 86th
    32 - Jason Gavern - 194th
    33 - Bermaine Stiverne - 5th - Wins WBC World Title
    34 - Eric Molina - 37th
    35 - Johan Duhaupas - 34th
    36 - Artur Szpilka - 24th
    37 - Chris Arreola - 43rd
    38 - Gerald Washington - 41st
    39 - Bermaine Stiverne - Unranked
    40 - Luis Ortiz - 4th
    41 - Tyson Fury - 4th - Draw
    42 - Domonic Breazeale - 4th
    43 - Luis Ortiz - 9th
    44 - Tyson Fury - 1st - Lost by Knock Out losing WBC World Title
    45 - Tyson Fury - WBC Heavyweight Champion - Scheduled
     
  4. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not a Wilder hater, but come on, his successful defenses are not as good as Joshua's.

    Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Klitschko, Parker, Ruiz as Joshua's best wins vs Ortiz, Stiverne, Breazeale, Arreola, Szpilka as Wilder's best wins? There is a good chance all names on Wilder's best wins lose to every name on Joshua's best wins.
     
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  5. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All AJs win over Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev are more impressive opponents than anyone Wilder has ever beaten. There's a massive difference in terms of quality of opponents beaten and 5he number of quality of opponents beten between AJs resume and Wilders.

    AJ has now beat 5 of the current Ring Magazine top 10. That's the same as Fury(1),Wilder (1), Povetkin (1) and Whyte (2) combined.
     
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  6. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That’s a good point, pick your winner?

    Klitschko v Ortiz
    Whyte v Stiverne
    Parker v Breazeale
    Povetkin v Arreola
    Pulev v Szpilka
    Takam v Washington
    Ruiz v Duaphas
     
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  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad one sided win
    Whyte one sided win
    Parker one sided win
    Povetkin one sided win
    Pulev one sided win
    Takam one sided win
    Ruiz one sided win

    All mismatches.
     
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  8. ruffryders

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    This old chestnut on the internet is just some hateful propaganda. Come on, which governing body ranks in the 400's??? Use your brains please.

    If you use the Ring Magazine who is independent of the 4 main governing bodies, Wilder fought around 6/7 top 10's

    If you use WBC rankings, he defended against 10x top 15 fighters

    If you use some propaganda on the internet you get the above.


    I agree that Joshua's defences are generally against a better calibre but both have defended against top 15 guys, AJ are slightly better to me.
     
  9. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    But he has the strongest punch in boxing history guys

    Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Tyson can't even generate that power
     
  10. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Told ya
     
  11. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope!

    Carefully compiled by a noted boxing historian and record keeper.

    I know it hurts but the truth often does!