Deontay Wilder is this generation's Max Baer ... if Baer had heart

I picked Wilder to win. The problems are thus:

He did not win clearly. He fouled with punches behind the head and got a break from the ref when he called in the ring doctor to take a look at him with no cuts or injuries.

Did you watch that fight? Oh, what about the scoring? If he didn't act the way he does, I'd tolerate him better.

If Ortiz were two years younger, he'd win. But he's 38 ( 39 this month ) or 41 ( 42 this month ) depending on who you ask.

Yes, he deserves some credit, this was his best opponent by far, yet look at how much he struggled.

 

Good test for Wilder but he was hurt badly in the 7th to his credit he came back, Ortiz crafty but I feel would have been better served to have came in lighter. Stamina was an issue & Wilder just unloaded on him in the 10th, not everything acurate but landed some beauties especially the right uppercut.

There is chubby condition & real fit condition, Stiverne was extra chubby & muscle mix (like the 80's fighters) & Ortiz was just a little too heavy ( he needed that extra umph) that is why Joe Louis (who was heavy for exhibitions) came in 208-210 instead of 230+ like he at times was for exhibitions.

I think the 15 rd limit had a lot to do with the training methods & more cardio & almost no weight traing (marciano threw rocks & Jack Dempsey did the wall pullies) I would like to see the 6"7 Wilder add on a few lbs maybe 10-15lbs & I would like to see Anthony Joshua a bit lighter 10-15lbs than he was for Takam. Vlad Klitschko for mr always looked better in the low 240's but remember these 3 men have height over 6"5

Weight training has a lot to do with the weight of todays heavyweights but there should be a happy medium, a balance IMO.

Wilder has serious power but Joshua seems the more complete fighter, thing with Wilder is he can pull it out with power. I think Joshua will beat Parker (who has talent) but he should be lighter than C.T. fight, then D.W. winner must fight Povetkin who is deserving

By the way I had Wilder behind & what was the doctor visit in the begining of the 8th (home cooking to bide time?) well , I was told there is no favorites in boxing or politics, higher standard Ha Ha

 

Just a bit of Bama chitlins stuck in Wilder's gum shield.

 

Baer fought better competition and was the HW champion of the world. In today's era with multiple belts many "champs" are really still just contenders. That's how I view Wilder. Fury is/was the rightful champ. So it's either him or the championship is vacant.
As for best in the division with Fury gone I'd say it's Joshua. He's the most popular by far with drawing power and he has Olympic Gold and he defeated the HOf fighter in So Wilder has a little while to go before he earns the right to be mentioned with Baer.

Wilder has a big right hand like Baer and both lack skill. That's it.

Last night wilder impressed with his grit. He underwhelmed (again) with technique.

Ortiz is what he is, a skilled yet slow past prime Heavyweight that gassed but did give a good effort before doing so.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your post, but officially Marciano won those fights.Close as they may have been.

 

I'd rank Wilder #3 or #4 today. I'm over it, and think Ortiz who was past his prime is his best win by far. Wilder won but really did not impress me outside of his power.

If you're okay with fouls ( rabbit and hitting after the bell ), breaks by a biased ref when he was hurting for no reason, and bad judging, so be it.

Not that I think of it, Max had a nice backhand, Wilder can add that to his game, then you comparison will have more depth to it.

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Right he officially beat 2 guys who weren't modern sized heavyweights . Ted Lowry weighed as low as 161 and basically had Marciano out on his feet various times according to people ring size and held back against him. Roland LaStarza was 180 pounds and everybody at ring side thought he beat Marciano the first time. But in any case name one modern sized heavyweight Maricano fought period never mind knocked out. So how is he one of the hardest punching heavyweights of all time when he wasn't heavyweight and never fought one?

Oleksandr Usyk is 6'3 1/2 and weighs around 200 pounds. He is 14-0 with 11 knocks. So he is bigger than Maricano. Is he all time heavyweight great puncher? What about fighters like Mairis Briedis 6'1 200 pounds 23-1 18 K0's, Murat Gassiev 6'3 1/2 200 pounds 26-0 19 KO's.

Are all of these cruiserweights all time heavyweight great punchers too? They are all bigger than Marciano and far more skilled than him. So what makes Marciano special? Because he beat 50 year old Walcott, Moore, and Louis who weren't modern sized heavyweights or because he beat 175 pound Ezzard Charles?

Marciano wasn't even a hard puncher for his own size. He just faced has beens, old men, never was, and mob controlled fighters. As I said 2 of those low level fighters still beat him and got robbed.

 

I'm not an Ortiz fan, I just like a cleanly run sport. Last night was anything but.

Take away the rest when Wilder needed and the foul punches behind the head and the results could be different.

Its fair to point out because it happened.

 

Clearly it's not impossible, but Wilder is a very rare breed. Frankly I haven't seen anything like him in boxing. Hearns at WW had the same freakish dimensions and lanky power but he didn't have Wilder's strength and chin.

Outside of his jab and right hand Wilder is terrible to watch, though. It's embarrassing that a top 2 HW has such bad technique.

 

Is Wilder really top 2 though. I rate him 3rd behind Joshua and Povetkin. And he would slip to 4th if Fury can return and win. Wilder has horrible technique. He did get a nice victory last night over a quality opponent. Hopefully he continues to fight good fighters and not the bones of Arreola and Molina