Deontay Wilder Legacy

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History will be kind to this arrogant, delusional and disrespectful fraud.

 

stats aren't anything w/o context of who he beat. He may as well be the US Brian Nielson.

 

Where is the video when he is saying that he needs body on his record ?

 

Semi-controversial take... And TBH, probably true.

The closest there was to a serious heavyweight from the USA in an era where the USA struggled to make a dent in a division it often dominated in the past - the one hope for a dominant American champion post-Klits, hopelessly overhyped as a result and an embarrassment both in the failure to live up to the hype (losing to the first fighter better than a gatekeeper he fought) and in the manner of his inability to take his loss like a man.

When another proper, possibly even dominant, US champ comes along (and it's only a matter of time) then most will be able to shrug off his embarrassing resume and behaviour... But until then, national pride stops some from doing so.


I'm not 100% convinced of this, call it a hunch... (And I apologize to those who already see it!!!)

 

One of the hardest punchers ever but a hollow shell of a man who Fury innilahated.

 

He's arrogant, delusional and disrespectful but so are most HW champions. Ali, Foreman, Holmes and Tyson were only different in degree, if they were different at all. I understand Wilder getting annoyed at criticism from jealous old men who were in their heyday 30-50 years ago and he has every right to make his opinion known in response about modern vs past fighters. We can criticise any fighter but the fact remains that Wilder is the most dominant American heavyweight champion since prime Tyson at minimum.

 

Wildest frustrations reek of narcissism and deep seated insecurities, Fury and Joshua don't talk the way he does about former champs.

Wilder is a black mark on the history of boxing, his entire reign is a fraudulent charade. He may have the longest reign and most title consecutive defenses of any American HW since Tyson, but look at the circumstances i.e who he fought and how he looked while doing so. That is how boxing historians will grade him along with most fans in general.

 

The only living man to have had an autopsy and let the world know the results of it!!

 

This post is funny. Yeah, Fury and Joshua don't seem like narcissists at all.

Historians like consistency in their champs. Long reigns. Convincing wins. Heart. Will. Power. Skill.

How many guys were beltholders while Wilder held the WBC Heavyweight title - from Jan. 2015 to Feb. 2020 - and made 10 successful title defenses (9 by KO), including one successful (two knockdown) defense against Fury himself?

Let's see, there was Wlad, Fury, Martin, Chagaev, Browne, Parker, Joshua, Ruiz, Charr, Whyte, Bryan ... that's a lot of 'beltholders' in five years. There were so many, it was difficult to keep track of all of them or when they had a belt or when they didn't.

On the other side, there is Wilder, knocking out everyone in front of him, except Fury, who managed to get up twice and go all 12 rounds but failed to win the belt that night.

Kind of reminds me of when Holmes was holding the WBC belt and the other org was just turning over guys right and left.

It's too bad Wilder entered the rematch with Fury with an injury to his left that required surgery to repair afterward. He got incredibly bad advice. But he dropped that team.

He's sharper than ever now and ready to make one last run.

Six fights from now, like I posted earlier in the thread, he'll likely call it quits when he reaches 50 fights. Two time WBC champ. Lineal Champ. And maybe he'll finish up knocking off a couple of those clowns who couldn't hold onto a strap for any length of time to finish up. Or maybe he just go after the new guys, like Yoka and Joyce.

Either way, he's already got 10 successful defenses and five years of a championship run under his belt - and as many successful defenses during that time as Joshua, Chagaev, Browne, Parker, Martin, Fury, Ruiz, Whyte, Charr and Bryan COMBINED.

Wilder will be remembered fondly by historians. The rest of you need to catch up.

 

You ever take those rose-tinted glasses off bud? He's getting sparked in the 3rd Fury fight and will never hold another belt unless it's vacated.

 

By casuals he will be remembered the same way Michael Spinks is remembered: The guy who lost his big fight. Spinks lost to Tyson, Wilder to Fury.

By those boxing fans without bias and with some knowledge, Wilder will be remembered as the guy who made the most of the single best gift he had, his power. Not the worst heavyweight champion, not the best, a classic overachiever.

Hardcore boxing fans will forever be polarized with half thinking he was nothing but a joke who fought bums and those thinking he was the next coming of Godzilla.

 

Many former champions have said negative things about modern champions, Wilder says the same back. Fury has said he's the best ever and AJ has said he's a great and in the company of any past HW, which only silly people get upset about. Larry Holmes was very insulting about past champions when he was a fighter and is insulting today as an old man but no one cares any more. Holyfield said that Joe Louis was slow and he would whoop him because boxing has advanced just like all other sports have. You can accuse any champion who says this kind of thing of being narcissistic and insecure. The Klitschko's were always publicly respectful even when they were disrespected by the old timers but they were also extremely narcissistic.

You can deconstruct the resume of any fighter. Hatman made a long video on Tyson's resume where he did exactly this, where he said that most of prime Tyson's opponents had drug and alcohol problems or were Larry Holmes' leftovers. He pointed out that prime Tyson went the distance with something like half a dozen journeymen, often with chin problems, or fringe contenders. He argued that Tyson lacked a truly signature win, Holmes being post-prime and coming off a layoff and Spinks being a blown-up light heavy who froze. He further claimed that Tyson was in his prime when he was KO'd by journeyman Douglas.

History will be kinder to Wilder than fans are at the moment. Many fighters from the Klitschko era are still fighting right now so we are a long way off but champions, even long reigning ones, are often not appreciated in their time. If Fury beats Wilder again and Wilder retires, Wilder will heavily be defined by how well Fury does going forward. If Fury goes on to stand AJ/Usyk on his head, people will have a more generous appraisal of Wilder vis a vis the others.

 

Go ahead and take a look at this video for me NEETzschean

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Wilder's gifts: height, reach, speed of hand and foot, agility, reflexes, ATG explosive power, stamina, confidence, heart, tenacity, killer instinct, durability, physical strength, unpredictability.

Wilder has athletic and psychological attributes well beyond his power, which is why Manny Steward earmarked him as a future champion in 2012 along with Fury. He also won an Olympic bronze less than 3 years after starting boxing, schooled and stopped Duhaupas and schooled Stiverne 120-107 to win the WBC belt in 2015, showing that he had discipline to follow a gameplan and some skills when he wanted to use them as well. He also gained massive experience in his long title reign, which goes a long way.

I don't believe he was in control of his career; much smarter men like Haymon and Finkel were determined to keep the belt in America after 20 years without a really credible HW champion. They just miscalculated with Fury.

Wilder was and still is an extremely dangerous fighter for anyone, which is why he was favoured in both Fury fights and is still 40-60 with AJ (despite being a massive AJ fanboy, Wlad couldn't pick a winner between AJ and Wilder). Boxing fans are reactionary: you take a loss (even to a great fighter) and you are are fraud. You are right though that the crushing losses to Fury will always hang over him.

 

Sorry but beating Stivern who was literally a gatekeeper who won a vacant title and was KO'd by a guy with a 11 & 15 record long before Wilder is not really an accomplishment.