Deontay Wilder - Some historical context

In post #44, just above this one, I laid out questions. Care to answer them?

 

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How many people made 10 or more straight successful defenses of the lineal title? Joe Louis. Muhammad Ali. Larry Holmes. Nobody is saying he's there.

How many people made 10 or more straight successful defenses of an alphabet belt? Guys like Wlad, Vitali, Frazier, Lennox.

Wilder will join that club, if he's successful next time out.

 

Those aren't the WBC Ratings, genius. They are the WBA ratings. (Didn't Trevor Bryan tip you off?)

The WBC ratings include Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, Joshua, Kownacki, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Rivas and Kabayal.

They essentially include ALL the same guys as the current Ring ratings do except for Andy Ruiz, who holds the WBA, IBF and WBO belts. That's it. (And Andy Ruiz wasn't in the Ring ratings two weeks ago.)

And as for who Wilder has defended against in your precious RING ratings, he's successfully defended against the current #1 Ring contender and the currrent #4 Ring contender. TWO of the top FOUR (and Wilder is in the top four, and he can't fight himself).

And Wilder plans on fighting both again in his next two defenses.

Unless the WBC and WBA come to an agreement and insist he fight the Ring #3 guy, Andy Ruiz next.

So, he's basically fighting some or all of the top three guys in the Ring ratings in his next three defenses.

So don't worry your pretty little head over it anymore.

 

And Lamar clark has an awesome KO percentage too.

To answer you question, about 30 other guys, maybe more could have a similar amount of title defenses with the same opponents wilder fought at the age he fought them, with crooked judging vs Fury if needed to get a draw.

Can you answer my questions? I don't create the rankings.

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Oh, my Bad. The WBC ratings, which you need to clarify if you feel they are better than Ring Magazine's have Dilllian Whyte #1 overall, Ortiz at #4 despite his age, and the amazing Kownacki at #5. Pure crap

 

Pure crap? You just said Ring was the GOLD standard, and the WBC ratings include EVERYONE in the Ring ratings top 10 but Ruiz. (You're a joke.)

Jesus.

You need to come up with new material. Regurgitating the same story line doesn't work anymore.

The WBC heavyweight ratings include the same guys as Ring. Wilder's fighting Ortiz and Fury again next. Unless the WBC and WBA mandate Ruiz. There isn't anyone rated higher in the Ring "gold standard" ratings than Fury and Arum said that rematch is coming in February/March.

Those are basically the top guys.

You can quit complaining now.

 

You are seriously ducking all my questions. Can I not get an honest reply to them, or would that be too much? Never let blind patriotism trump objectifying reasoning

If needed I can create a poll, as to which rantings are better, Ring Magazine's or WBC's, but I suspect you know the answer to that one too.

 

You know, you've totally humiliated yourself in the last few minutes by posting a long thread with the wrong ratings body.

I know you're trying to dig your way out. But I'm not going to help you out.

Nobody cares which ratings are better. That's not remotely what the thread is about.

Wilder is the WBC champ. He fights the guys the WBC tells him to fight.

All the guys Wilder is planning to fight next Ortiz, Fury and/or Ruiz are in the top of your RING ratings, too.

So you needn't worry. There's nothing to argue about.

By next summer, Wilder will have a dozen straight successful title defenses likely a couple more belts.

 

Duck, Duck, Duck, Duck. Why even bother with Oritz again, he's ancient? Oh, because Wilder is a disaster waiting to happen.

3rd chance for you:

Question #1, who is the highest rated Ring Magazine opponent Or Box Rec if you prefer ( When they fought ) that Wilder has beaten and where was that fighter ranked?

Follow up question your answer, in hindsight, did that fighter even deserve the rating? Yes or No.


Question #2, How many wins does Wilder have over top ten Ring Magazine ranked opponents, that were in their prime?


Question #3, Do you think Wilder for the most part, picked easy title opponents? Yes or No.


Not being able to answer the question to me is the weakest point of debate, and I've completely got you, which is why you won't dare to answer. Face it, Wilder never beat anyone good. EVER. I agree Wilder should be a very older and fatter looking Ortiz, but if he doesn't the fraud stamps will be even bigger the moment after the match ends on this forum.

Since you pointed out the WBC Rankings are essentially the same as Ring Magazine's at the moment, answer the above three questions and we won't have any issues. Deal?

 

Why do you consistently lie?

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2014
Wladimir Klitschko, Champion

1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Bermane Stiverne
3. Tyson Fury
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bryant Jennings
6. Deontay Wilder
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Mike Perez
9. Chris Arreola
10. Ruslan Chagaev

 

Vitali fought in a much weaker era than Wilder. Light heavy Thomaz Adamek being ranked in the top 3 is proof of that.

Stiverne who is average battered Chris Arroela twice. Arroela is better than Sam Peter , is one of Vitali's best wins and spent a whopping SIX years ranked in the top 10 during the Klitschko era.

Tommy Morrision who was vastly better than both Arroela and Peters couldn't hold down a top 10 ranking during the 90's for more than a year.

 

What was he ranked when Wilder fought him? What was his rank annually in 2015? And don’t call anyone here a lair. You’re wrong often, but no one calls you a liar.

Why not answer my questions as presented? Give it a try. And please be accurate

 

Nicolai Valuev came quite close to that number, by defending against people who should not have been challenging for an alphabet title.

Wilder has largely done the same thing.

Even if he did make it to ten, there would be the obvious issue of the Fury decision, which was not a reasonable interpretation of the fight IMHO.

As of now, I cannot agree that Wilder's reign is a historic accomplishment.

There is time for him to change my mind yet however!

 

Nicolay Valuev made THREE straight successful title defenses. He didn't come close to 10 straight.

And, I disagree he's LARGELY fought guys who had no business fighting for a title.

Fury got a title shot and is a lineal champ. Ortiz certainly deserved one, took part in one of the fights of the year with Wilder and is going to get his second title shot. Breazeale (a mandatory), Stiverne (a mandatory), Molina and Arreola all fought for world titles TWICE, too. Washington, Szpilka and Duhaupas were late subs, but they were solid heavyweights who acquitted themselves well. (Not a Dave Zyglewicz Terry Daniels or Ron Stander in the bunch.)

His challengers have been fine.

 

If I was going to compare Wilder to a historic champion, it would probably be Tommy Burns.

Somebody who had a lot of title defenses, but very few against qualified challengers!